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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg well Chris O'Brien

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has one of these hit or miss internet

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connections and he's able to do it with

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Skype on his iPhone with some fancy

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footwork by somehow connecting his mic

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more or less but he doesn't have a

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really good internet connection and he's

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considering whether to get something

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like HughesNet or something which is a

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satellite internet connection where it's

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kind of expensive very little data if

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you're doing the fight with your mobile

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phone and the data plans it's not much

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better with HughesNet not much cheaper

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and you get a lot of latency meaning

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this has to go up to the satellite and

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back again so I could say hello Randle

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and Randle will take a second to answer

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kind of like the old days when they're

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doing a satellite connection for a TV

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network it'd be like that but we'll make

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it work somehow

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we were also as some of you listeners

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know going to feature Rick Doty on the

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para cast this week we heavily

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advertised it we had a question bank

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thread in our forums and let's talk

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about what happened now Rick Doty you

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know is that former air force agent who

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has been accused blamed for his possible

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involvement in UFO disinformation what

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about Paul bennewitz subject discussed

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by Greg Bishop in his book project beta

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what about the mj-12 documents what

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about all that stuff what about all

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these people in the UFO field with bird

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titles like Falcon we were gonna ask him

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those questions and he says that a lot

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of the people in the UFO field really

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have it all wrong so he wanted to find

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out what's right I've actually worked

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probably several years to get him on the

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show and we had it scheduled he was

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supposed to come back from a shooting or

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something not shooting of a gun but

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shooting a film and unfortunately we got

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the show we did the first segment that

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you'll hear next week

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and then I tried to call Rick on his

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mobile phone didn't work couldn't get

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ahold of him about an hour and a half

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day after we gave up he called me and he

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apologized and he wrote me a letter also

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I want to apologize for this mishap we

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were delayed by a breakdown with a

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vehicle in a very remote location in

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Nevada so he's rescheduled we're gonna

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do the recording session the week of the

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15th of March Rick Doty gonna be an

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interesting show in the meantime I don't

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want to say we just got a substitute

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here we got somebody who was one of our

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better guests over the past few years

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and we asked him to come in on short

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notice which is gracious to do Jay

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Randell Murphy is our guest co-host

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again our guest is Robert Schroeder and

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he's author of a book called solving the

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UFO enigma how modern physics is

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revealing the technology of UFOs now

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there's an active discussion or two in

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our forums about UFOs possible UFO

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propulsion systems whether they're

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extraterrestrial or not so this is

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pretty relevant with that in the

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meantime Robert welcome back to the

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power cast Jim thank you so much for

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having me on the show again I'm happy to

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be here and I know you were really hit

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with bad weather over there yeah we had

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a terrible nor'easter up here for those

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people in other parts of the country

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that are not familiar with northeasters

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these are weather systems that I set up

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in the North Atlantic and they swirl

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around picking up moisture from the

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ocean and then they hit the New England

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area and as well as the mid-atlantic

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states

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and what happens gene is a cold air

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comes down from Canada it hits this

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relatively warm air and we get tons of

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snow and wind just to give you an idea

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we had 90 mile an hour winds on Cape Cod

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which is just south of Boston that gives

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you an idea up in our area probably 60

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to 70 personally our house here in

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Massachusetts here we had three gigantic

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pine trees fall down these are called

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white pine

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and they're about 100 feet tall oh man

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what a mess we've been chopping him up

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for the last three days it's actually

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started on Wednesday and we had some

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stuff fall in our deck we had to kind of

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get rid of that to make a long story

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short in the midst of all of our

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chopping out there today a truck came by

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with a tree service business for nine

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hundred and fifty bucks they took care

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of it and we were more than happy to let

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him do it

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oh what a what a job what a nightmare

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you see it brings out the entrepreneurs

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began your Easter if things are really

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messed up somebody out there will do

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something that you need to get things

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going again not so much if you lose your

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power you know they don't have freelance

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people to restore your power no but I

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can tell you this I'm so happy for those

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entrepreneurs Aldea he gave us a really

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good price I mean it was an awful lot of

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work

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we got lucky in a way because he was

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doing three other jobs on our block so

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he gave us kind of a discount and that

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made it much more palatable we did lose

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our power off and on for Wednesday and

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and part of Thursday but then it finally

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came back however the rest of our town

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about half our town has no power and I

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don't know if the audience knows this

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but I'm a substitute teacher part-time

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and we missed school Thursday and Friday

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so the storm really started Wednesday

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but it started just as we were leaving

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school so anyway I know you guys are

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down in Arizona you're so lucky

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actually randall is located in canada oh

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oh yeah but not so lucky

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we're used to the snow we had more snow

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here in one day than we usually get all

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month just a few days ago and Chris

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O'Brien moved to New York State in a

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part where they do get plenty of snow

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south of the Great Lakes probably if

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it's kind of overlooking the

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Pennsylvania border oh yeah that's

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pretty bad too out there and it's a

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higher elevation Jen

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really so yeah they can get it pretty

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bad out there

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just a quick question gene for Randall

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one of my brothers owned some land up in

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Halliburton Canada do you know where

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that is yeah it's not around here that's

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Canada yeah anyway what were you going

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to comment about it

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Ontario it was it's about maybe 100 plus

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miles north of on of Toronto and and my

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brother had about 500 acres of land up

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there this is back many years ago we

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since sold it but um it was really

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beautiful up there in that part of

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Canada oh it was kind of like the Lake

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District area doesn't it was yeah and a

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lot of vacationers went up to that area

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and oh wait did you say where you live

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in Canada what part well I'm in Alberta

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west yeah yes

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well Canada is one big beautiful country

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too so you know it's it's really nice

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here and it's beautiful down there and

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it was spent well we share the whole

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border with you guys so yep yeah both

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pretty big countries yeah and and that's

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a part of Canada and the US for that

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matter I'd love to get to the northwest

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the Pacific Northwest I'd love to get up

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into that area I've been trying to

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persuade my wife and daughter dydt for

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us to take a vacation out there but

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haven't quite succeeded yet but I'll

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keep trying

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uh-huh listen let me go over your

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background a little because there's some

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things that intrigue me that we probably

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discussed the last time I wanted to

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bring him up again the one of course was

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the fact that you work with Hewlett

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Packard in product management which

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product oh I I work they had a computer

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called an alpha system and I worked with

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that for many years but also some

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software products that we were making

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and I did that for many years too but in

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addition I supported a lot of marketing

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managers

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and and so I did that as well and I

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ought to mention that for a good chunk

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of my career I was in finance there so I

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did profit and loss statements and

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spreadsheets and assets and asset

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balances all that kind of stuff and and

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it was a great company to work for I

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still get my health care through them I

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worked there for 27 years we're gonna

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have to wait 27 years if we don't do

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this break

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Robert Schroeder joining us with Jean

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and Randall you're in the para cast we

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also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy

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we've got like I guess 60 or so

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different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to steward

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on to the para cast comm store doctor

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para cast com what makes special is that

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the items are the best quality of great

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t-shirts fabrics and they have our

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official logo on them that's what makes

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them special in multiple sizes and

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colors

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we even have stuff for children stuff

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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sorts of sizes like small up 2x large a

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lot good stuff that's the swag from the

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para cast to go to steward da ^ cast

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calm stop by and take a shopping tour ID

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stronghold wallets are different we may

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look the same on the outside they're

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stylish they'll hold your cards in cash

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but they're hiding something great on

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the inside no there are no pyrotechnics

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and it doesn't sing when you open it but

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it does have magical powers

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cards debit cards even your work ID

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okay Robert Schroeder joins us and we're

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gonna talk about his book on UFOs in a

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moment now you have a serious business

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background financial science a degree in

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aerospace engineering what got you

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attracted to UFOs okay gene that's a

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great question

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I've actually been interested in this

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subject I'm actually I grew up in the

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50s and 60s and as maybe many of your

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listeners may know the 1950s were a big

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decade for UFOs and even though I was

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only a kid in the 50s 1950s I couldn't

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help but see all the stuff on TV and in

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the papers about UFOs and I had my own

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personal sighting I lived in Teaneck New

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Jersey a couple miles west of the George

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Washington Bridge Manhattan New York in

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1957 in November I was - let's see I was

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around ten years old I was standing out

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in my front yard and I was looking up

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into the sky you know like kids usually

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often do you know it was perfectly clear

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this guy perfectly blue not a cloud in

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sight and and we had a two-story house I

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come from a fairly big family we needed

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a fairly big house I have five brothers

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and sisters and I for some reason I was

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just looking up and our house was two

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stories and so all of a sudden coming

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from the West coming over our house I

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and I was in the front yard I saw this

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cylindrical object that looked like it

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perfectly just like a cigarette but it

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was kind of gold in color and on at the

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time of the day was probably around five

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o'clock or so so the Sun was going down

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in November and it was I could see it

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clearly glinting in the Sun and I

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thought that is strange and my first

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thought was and I come from a family of

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scientists and engineers so I even as a

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kid I loved science so my first thought

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was it might have been an airplane the 7

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707 Boeing 707 had just come out in 1957

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and we had seen them and sometimes when

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a plane's wings are tilted you can only

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see the fuselage so I thought gee maybe

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that's what it is

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but as a kid I had very good eyesight I

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mean even today I only wear glasses

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occasionally and I I just buy the cheap

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ones at the drugstore but so I had very

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good eyesight but the thing that puzzled

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me gene was the front of this thing in

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the back were totally blind

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they were just squared off just like a

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cigarette and then to my shock behind

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him in tandem traveling with it was a

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round object that the moon was no wider

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than the narrow width of the cigarette

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shaped object anyway the two of them

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continued across the sky and at that

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instant I realized this was really weird

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and so I ran inside to tell my brothers

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and a couple of them came out and they

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saw it just as it was going over the

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trees heading toward New York City at

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the time I was totally baffled but of

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course it's stuck in my memory and years

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later I read a story about this guy

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and France who was out walking his dog

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at like 2:00 in the morning was pitch

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black and he looked up in the sky and he

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saw this gigantic cylindrical shaped

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object and it was kind of tilted at 45

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degrees he said it was huge based on the

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clouds that were nearby he said it was

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easily half a mile in length you know I

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mean that's how big this thing was

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and all of a sudden he sees a flash at

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the bottom end and a disc shaped object

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comes out swirls around the cylinder a

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couple times and shoots off in one

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direction of the compass and he was in

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the suburb of Paris and then a second

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one came out did the same thing but went

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in a different direction of the compass

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until about six or seven of these

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typical flying saucers had popped out at

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the bottom of this thing and gone off in

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different directions and then the object

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kind of seemed to be falling toward the

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ground and then just evaporated

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disappeared and the guy was

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flabbergasted when I read that report

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and by that time I had read a lot of UFO

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stories I instantly realized the thing I

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saw in 1957 was some kind of a carrier

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or what UF ologist call a mothership and

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apparently the disks are stacked like

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plates inside of these cylinders and

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that's apparently what I saw so you're

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assuming then that may be part of the

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propulsion system for these UFOs I know

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I think it's simply they the disc shape

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UFOs are used for close-up observation

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of the earth but when they move from one

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star system to another they go in that

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larger cylinder kind of like an aircraft

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carrier carries airplanes and I think

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that's what they do I think those

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smaller disc shaped objects are what you

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might call scout craft

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I've heard that term and that's probably

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what I what they are and they're used

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for you know getting down close and

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personal you know and and checking

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things out on planet earth and

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or other planets in the in the solar

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system where they haven't their

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civilizations are not as developed as

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the the ones that are building these

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UFOs can I can I ask a question there

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yes before we get too far along so you

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you saw one of these cylindrical objects

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now was the one that you saw in your

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estimation as large as this other

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sighting of the mothership that you are

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describing

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that's a great question Randall I

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figured when I looked at it that it I

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thought it was flying at around 5,000

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feet and my assumption was based on

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airplanes that were going into LaGuardia

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LaGuardia Airport before it became

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Kennedy and and I assumed if it was at

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that height it was pretty darn big

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because it looked longer than a normal

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707 but it wasn't it wasn't like a half

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a mile long

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you know what if I misjudged the

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altitude if the altitude was actually

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higher then it easily could have been a

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half mile and and and just so you don't

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think that's unprecedented there was a

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sighting in England by a private airline

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pilot and and this guy unfortunately I

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can't remember his name maybe you guys

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can remember but he's been the exciting

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has been shown on TV many times but Eric

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may au r IG any Y airlines and they were

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going to the from England to the Channel

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Islands does that ring a bell yeah they

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were flying across the channel and and

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noticed something off in the distance

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that way a huge it was they estimate it

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was easily a mile in diameter yeah these

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mother ships have been spotted when you

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know we know about those in in your case

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however I mean I was just trying to

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determine say I mean if we've got a long

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sort of cylindrical object it is within

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reasonable size so how did this thing

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move

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so that you could distinguish it from

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something like say an unconventional

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blimp or something like that yes this

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thing was very I I'd used the word

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majestic it just moves smoothly across

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the sky let's break it here let's break

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here then we'll continue when they say

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majestic I think in majestic 12 because

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of the forthcoming appearance of Rick

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Doty I'm kidding Robert Schroeder

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joining gene and Randle you're in the

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UFOs physical propulsion systems

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advanced physics with Robert Schroeder

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now as many of our listeners know we

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cover a wide gamut of the UFO enigma and

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we talk about some aspects of UFOs not

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being as physical as they seem to be but

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everything is based on assumptions so if

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you assume that UFOs are physical craft

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coming here from other worlds they have

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to use some kind of propulsion system to

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get here ideally I'd like it to be a

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Stargate and the reason I'd like it to

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be a Stargate now ask Robert if he has

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any opinions about that it's because

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it's just so simple you enter the gate

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30 seconds later you're through the

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wormhole and you're on another part of

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the galaxy you don't have to worry about

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crashing somewhere you don't have to

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worry about space Wars because you're

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going from here to there it's just so

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simple you don't have to worry about

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waiting at a spaceport he just entered

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the Stargate I guess for mass amounts of

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people might be a little awkward you

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don't have to just send rows and rows of

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them to this Stargate but before we go

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on there I just wanted to throw this out

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because it kind of inspired me about a

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00:29:02,609 --> 00:28:58,869
couple of things I read about you do you

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think that a Stargate is a practical

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form of transportation if we're gonna

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deal with wormholes I would say this

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gene they're not using wormholes the

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reason is that wormholes are

657
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very very difficult to maintain and

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wormholes if they exist would simply

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connect one part of the universe to

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another well that's the point of the

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Stargate is a to two-way transportation

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yes I totally agree however here's the

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problem you couldn't go anywhere you

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wanted you'd have to go wherever the

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wormhole happened to be connected but I

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think they are getting here quite

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quickly and I'll tell you why and but I

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oh I I don't know if you if it's okay

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for me to kind of get into the technical

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stuff right but just bear in mind here

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we have a mixture of listeners summer

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technical some or not some if you say

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anything beyond the four letters math

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they will turn off so you need to

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explain it in a form that anybody will

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pick up on it yep and I and because I've

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done over the last few years I've

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probably done good grief maybe 80 or 90

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presentations appearances around the

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country you know and so I talked to all

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kinds of audiences and I can present

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this in a way that everybody will

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understand it in a nutshell I do believe

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that extra dimensions exist and it

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appears according to one theory by a

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couple of Harvard physicists that there

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may be one of these extra dimensions

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might be on the larger side and it

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appears to be according to their Theory

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severely warped in such a way that we

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may be able to make use of it

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to travel to other stars and I'll get

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into that in a second people have

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probably heard of string theory maybe I

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don't know sure

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okay string theory is I there's no need

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to totally understand it but the basic

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idea is that at one point they thought

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that all subatomic particles were tiny

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infinitesimally small points and with no

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extension but they visit

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big thing going on in physics called the

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toad goe the big toe which Anto stands

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for theory of everything and the whole

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idea behind that is to unite the none

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gravity forces in nature and gravity

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that is everybody's probably heard of

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general relativity and and I'm sure

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pretty people have heard of quantum

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mechanics and those are the two pillars

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of modern physics and our gender

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relativity refers to things that are

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large-scale planets solar systems

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galaxies the universe itself and on the

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other hand quantum mechanics deals with

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the subatomic world teeny-weeny things

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like atoms and electrons and quarks and

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protons and neutrons and that kind of

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thing and so the problem that physics is

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having and anybody can look this up on

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00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,779
the Internet

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they've been trying to come up with this

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unified theory that will unify gravity

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with the other forces of nature than

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none

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gravity forces electromagnetism the

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strong nuclear force and the weak

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nuclear force that's it there's only

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three none gravity forces and the strong

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nuclear force is what holds the nucleus

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together because like repel so protons

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in the nucleus because they have a like

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positive charge they would fly apart

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except for the strong nuclear force

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which overcomes that repulsion and holds

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the nucleus together otherwise we would

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not be here would blow up and the weak

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nuclear force is just related to

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radioactivity this subatomic particles

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decay if people have heard of

741
00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:28,080
radioactive decay like uranium and stuff

742
00:33:32,649 --> 00:33:30,539
and that's the weak nuclear force that

743
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,659
produces that effect and

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00:33:37,899 --> 00:33:35,039
electromagnetism we're all familiar with

745
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that we use it every single day and

746
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:41,610
photons carry the electromagnetic force

747
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:45,450
anyway Einstein before he died in his

748
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last years of his life he died in 1955

749
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:51,630
he tried to come up with a theory that

750
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would unify at least electromagnetism

751
00:34:01,460 --> 00:33:59,070
and gravity and he was not able to do so

752
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:01,470
but anyway physicists have been working

753
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:04,410
on this unification theory for good

754
00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:08,220
grief a century you know and and they

755
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:11,389
finally started to make mathematical or

756
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:14,190
theoretical progress at least on paper

757
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,830
they can't show it experimentally yet

758
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:19,679
but I think they will but what happened

759
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:21,480
is they realized that subatomic

760
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:23,790
particles may not be infinitesimally

761
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:27,720
small points instead they may be little

762
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,010
wiggling strings

763
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:32,399
hence string theory and this is where it

764
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:35,340
gets exciting and and and now I'm going

765
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:40,619
to explain what this is all about so if

766
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:43,530
the things are little wiggling strings

767
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:47,159
it opens whole new theoretical windows

768
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,460
and we may be able to unify gravity and

769
00:34:56,359 --> 00:34:52,859
the non gravity forces but where it

770
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,369
relates to UFOs and that's where I'm

771
00:35:02,750 --> 00:34:58,800
gonna show the audience what's what I

772
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,760
think is going on a number of theories

773
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,980
have come or what I've got to mention

774
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:07,140
one important thing one of the things

775
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,650
that comes out naturally out of string

776
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:14,040
theory is the idea that we may live in a

777
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,830
universe of extra dimensions now

778
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:19,560
everybody knows we live in three space

779
00:35:24,859 --> 00:35:21,810
dimensions you can move forward and

780
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:24,869
backward sideways either way or up and

781
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:25,050
down

782
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:27,720
that's three space dimensions and then

783
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:31,380
Einstein taught us that time should be

784
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:34,050
considered a fourth dimension that's

785
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:37,470
what they mean by space time so for

786
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,190
years and years we thought we lived in a

787
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:42,660
four-dimensional universe three of space

788
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:47,609
and one of time now incredibly and in

789
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:49,710
string theory they think there may be an

790
00:35:54,030 --> 00:35:53,220
additional seven dimensions a space

791
00:35:59,460 --> 00:35:54,040
dimension

792
00:36:02,370 --> 00:35:59,470
together it sounds mind-boggling it

793
00:36:05,339 --> 00:36:02,380
mind-boggling and so therefore in the

794
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:05,349
fifth dimension we have mr. mixes pit

795
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:07,630
like you're not familiar with the comic

796
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:10,630
books are you oh no I don't okay so this

797
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:13,030
is a character in the Superman where DC

798
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:15,220
Comics universe where he is an

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all-powerful mischievous person who

800
00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:20,710
comes from the fifth dimension and the

801
00:36:26,819 --> 00:36:22,540
only way to get rid of him is to get him

802
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:26,829
to say or spell his name backwards okay

803
00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:28,690
that's in the Superman universe we don't

804
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:30,369
want to get into comic books and

805
00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:31,660
characters we wanna get into string

806
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,270
theory and interdimensional travel and

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goodies like that more to come with

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Robert Schroeder and Jean and Randall

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thank you for listening to GCN

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the technical stuff because we really

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want to focus on practicality here so

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the thing here is we make an assumption

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UFOs or spaceships they come here from

925
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other star systems how do they get here

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and if they get here wouldn't they

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choose a way to travel that would

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somehow exceed the speed of light

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otherwise it would take a thousand years

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to get here some way to maybe go through

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a dimensional pathway or some kind of

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warp drive or something to get here in

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hours or days rather than centuries and

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we also assumed that if a civilization

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is the

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they got this figured out pretty much

937
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right yep

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well exactly and we are on the I believe

939
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we may our selves beyond the threshold

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of understanding how they do it and

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actually I was literally right on the

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verge of telling you that I did the

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worst technical stuff so far but this is

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where it gets exciting gene and I do

945
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need to mention this because it explains

946
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it I just mentioned this real briefly

947
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does a big problem in physics called the

948
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hierarchy problem gravity is much weaker

949
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than the other forces of nature nobody

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00:42:50,469 --> 00:42:47,859
knows why but this theory called warped

951
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geometry by a Harvard physicist and

952
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actually by another in John Hopkins

953
00:42:57,249 --> 00:42:55,460
University what it says is this and this

954
00:43:00,219 --> 00:42:57,259
is where the UFO connection comes in

955
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their theories postulates we live on

956
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:00,890
something

957
00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:03,770
called a space-time membrane but there's

958
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another space-time membrane parallel to

959
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ours

960
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one more thing of those extra dimensions

961
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only one is large and the oddly enough

962
00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:15,410
it's the fifth dimension as at the end

963
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the Superman comic book there but so

964
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over therefore we can travel through

965
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:24,110
space by saying our names backwards oh I

966
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:28,010
wish we could and I'd be checking it out

967
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right away

968
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but anyway they the idea that they had

969
00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:34,580
to explain the hierarchy problem the

970
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:36,380
weakness of gravity and just show you

971
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,270
how incredibly weak it is the

972
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:39,920
electromagnetic force which is very

973
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,170
similar to the other and in terms of

974
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:44,000
strength to the other none gravity

975
00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:48,650
forces is 10 to the 36 power 1 followed

976
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:53,240
by 36 zeros stronger than gravity that's

977
00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:55,550
staggering it's like a gazillion

978
00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:58,040
gazillion gazillion and so they had to

979
00:44:02,530 --> 00:43:59,390
try to explain it and here's how they do

980
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:02,540
it they believe that the gravitons that

981
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:05,480
carry the gravity force they believe

982
00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:09,650
that they are going into this what they

983
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:12,020
call the bulk this space between these

984
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:15,050
two membranes and that fifth dimension

985
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:18,350
area is actually five dimensional space

986
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:22,640
but we cannot see that five dimensional

987
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,850
space are the photons from our eyes are

988
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:28,640
stuck on the membrane we live on so we

989
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:31,700
cannot see it but gravitons because

990
00:44:36,430 --> 00:44:34,070
they're open strings with the two ends

991
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:36,440
of the string stuck in our membrane but

992
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:38,600
gravitons are believed to be closed

993
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:41,330
loops gravitons carry the gravity force

994
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:44,900
and they are free to travel into this

995
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:47,510
extra five dimensional space that's

996
00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:50,810
literally all around us right now as we

997
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,080
talk and the key to their theory is also

998
00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:57,440
the key I believe to UFO traveling to

999
00:45:02,170 --> 00:44:59,480
planet Earth here it is they believe

1000
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:02,180
that that a five dimensional space

1001
00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:04,610
that's all around us that we can't see

1002
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:07,700
they believe that it's severely warped

1003
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:10,520
where the force of gravity goes up 10 to

1004
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:13,940
the 16 times the deeper you go into that

1005
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:14,700
fifth

1006
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,339
dimension toward the parallel membrane

1007
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,980
that's mixed was and why they know why

1008
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:22,200
is that important here's why

1009
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:25,500
general relativity tells us that where

1010
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:29,700
gravity is strong space shrinks distance

1011
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:30,510
shrinks

1012
00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:33,300
I'll give you an exact example and

1013
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:36,390
you'll see exactly what's going on if we

1014
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:38,910
were able to penetrate into that bulk

1015
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:41,490
into that five dimensional space it

1016
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,490
would only have to go in partway into it

1017
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:46,619
oh by the way does anybody know the

1018
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:49,079
closest star system to planet Earth

1019
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:51,990
Proxima Centuri suppose exactly is that

1020
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:54,030
right is that randall or gene that's

1021
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,010
randall you can hear the slide Canadian

1022
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:58,680
little oh you're right

1023
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:02,940
Alpha Centauri a B and Proxima Proxima

1024
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:05,550
happens to be the closest star as a red

1025
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:09,480
dwarf to Planet Earth there is 4.3 light

1026
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:13,470
years or about 25 trillion miles if we

1027
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:15,630
went by conventional spaceships it would

1028
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:18,119
easily take thousands of years actually

1029
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:20,609
because Rockets just don't go that fast

1030
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:23,910
and so you know it would take multiple

1031
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:26,670
generations before we even got there but

1032
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,640
listen to this if we were able to

1033
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,980
penetrate the bulk would only have to go

1034
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,560
into the this five dimensional space

1035
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:37,200
that's all around us but we can't

1036
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:39,420
penetrate at the moment would only have

1037
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:42,630
to go in where gravity increases in

1038
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:46,440
strength only one ten-thousandth of its

1039
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,710
maximum strength 10 to the 16 power so

1040
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:51,780
it's only going to be one ten-thousandth

1041
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:54,900
of that and if we went in only that far

1042
00:47:04,099 --> 00:46:58,980
the distance to Alpha Centauri shrinks

1043
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:04,109
from 25 trillion miles or 4.3 light

1044
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:10,230
years to a mere 25 miles you could get

1045
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,390
in jump in your car and drive to Alpha

1046
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,700
Centauri in half an hour depending on

1047
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,920
the speed limit and the bulk and though

1048
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:19,280
you're basically warping the distance

1049
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:21,630
we're not warping the distance

1050
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,410
mother nature is some mother nature is

1051
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,960
making the trip of several light years

1052
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:30,240
a 25 mile trip doesn't matter how it's

1053
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:33,330
done but is that warp drive then I know

1054
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:36,390
nope it's not all we're doing is taking

1055
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:40,859
advantage of a portion of space that is

1056
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:43,619
naturally warped and bite and that's

1057
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,510
that's all we're doing it's just like

1058
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,480
going from Europe to America back in the

1059
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,880
Age of Discovery we took advantage of

1060
00:47:56,570 --> 00:47:53,460
the ocean to go you know straight across

1061
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:56,580
and instead of trying to go you know

1062
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,490
across the polar regions and and you

1063
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,380
know we just took a more direct route on

1064
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:03,720
the ocean it was available we've used it

1065
00:48:08,810 --> 00:48:06,150
and that's exactly what's going on here

1066
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:08,820
okay but let me ask more of a detailed

1067
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:10,950
question more practical question okay so

1068
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:14,040
we can come up with a theory about how a

1069
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:17,010
spacecraft will travel quickly from one

1070
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,710
star system to another the distance of

1071
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:21,960
25 miles rather than 3 or 4 light-years

1072
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:24,450
and maybe travel hundreds of light-years

1073
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:26,910
in a pretty quick amount of time okay

1074
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,970
exactly all right is this something we

1075
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,640
can conceive of doing maybe in a test

1076
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:35,280
laboratory in the near future or is this

1077
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:38,550
something 1020 a thousand years before

1078
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:41,430
we can develop that technology excellent

1079
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:44,070
question right now there what's

1080
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:46,710
happening guys is they are testing for

1081
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:50,460
the extra dimensions at the Large Hadron

1082
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:53,450
Collider which is a particle accelerator

1083
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:56,849
over in Geneva Switzerland and and in

1084
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:00,780
fact they are looking for signals that

1085
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:03,720
these extra dimensions exist and this is

1086
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:06,210
really critical to modern physics

1087
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:08,430
because they're trying to solve these

1088
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:11,430
very complex problems with a big problem

1089
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:13,950
is the hierarchy problem the weakness of

1090
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:16,410
gravity versus the other forces and if

1091
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:18,990
they find those extra dimensions it'll

1092
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:21,480
be the first indication we have that

1093
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:24,270
they exist and that they might account

1094
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:27,030
for the weakness of gravity because the

1095
00:49:34,089 --> 00:49:28,859
gravitons that carry the gravity force

1096
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:34,099
are all located in this bulgaria so they

1097
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:36,810
that they've actually run a hold ton of

1098
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:39,630
tests at the LHC the Large Hadron

1099
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:41,010
Collider

1100
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,770
and and unfortunately it takes years to

1101
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:45,960
go through the data to sift through it I

1102
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:49,410
mean they have mountains of data and so

1103
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:52,470
the the answer may be already in there

1104
00:49:56,330 --> 00:49:54,510
we just haven't found it yet because

1105
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:56,340
they've got it you have thousands of

1106
00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:58,050
physicists around the world who are

1107
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:00,510
combing through this data and we may

1108
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:02,520
have a signal and what and what they're

1109
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:06,510
actually looking for is believe it or

1110
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:09,630
not where gravity suddenly becomes weak

1111
00:50:15,590 --> 00:50:13,170
at a certain point and where they

1112
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,600
collide these particles together if they

1113
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:18,060
see the gravitation of the strength of

1114
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,190
the gravity force ordinary earth gravity

1115
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:22,800
suddenly become weak there that's an

1116
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:25,800
indication that gravitons have shot into

1117
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:28,740
the extra dimensions and and that would

1118
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:31,410
indicate these dimensions are real and

1119
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:35,280
and once we know that that's when we can

1120
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:37,950
really begin cracking down and trying to

1121
00:50:43,099 --> 00:50:40,950
figure out how to get in there explore

1122
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:43,109
it find out what's going on and things

1123
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,330
like that and you see the Elon Musk

1124
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,000
better get on this you imagine if Elon

1125
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:49,980
Musk offers for like half a million

1126
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:53,750
dollars I'll take you across the stars

1127
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:56,970
just a half million dollars we'll also

1128
00:51:02,210 --> 00:50:59,700
have a new Tesla spaceship now imagine

1129
00:51:03,590 --> 00:51:02,220
that we had Tesla spaceship of course we

1130
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,600
also have to think about the source of

1131
00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:04,920
energy for this I want to ask you about

1132
00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:06,840
that too and then we go back to this

1133
00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:08,550
straight ahead with the UFOs we have

1134
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,340
Robert Schroeder and the book by the way

1135
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:13,760
if you're curious about all this stuff

1136
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:17,580
into advanced technology he wrote a book

1137
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:20,250
about all this that is you know very

1138
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:23,250
much related to UFOs it's called solving

1139
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:25,740
the UFO enigma how modern physics is

1140
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:28,859
revealing the technology of UFOs Jean

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1191
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one more thing out of there the fly in

1193
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the ointment this theory would you agree

1194
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:21,900
with me whether or not UFOs employ this

1195
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:24,930
technology doesn't mean we can't develop

1196
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:27,059
this technology for our own purposes

1197
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right exactly and and I I wanted to

1198
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exactly correct exactly

1199
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I believe I happen to believe that we

1200
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:37,650
may very well be on the threshold

1201
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:41,280
there's a technical reason why there's

1202
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:43,770
two ways to solve the hierarchy problem

1203
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:45,930
always remember that hierarchy problem

1204
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:49,020
that's the key to the whole thing

1205
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:50,609
one way is something called

1206
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:53,730
supersymmetry and we don't need to go

1207
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:55,740
into the details of it but they've been

1208
00:55:01,789 --> 00:54:59,010
looking for supersymmetric particles at

1209
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,799
the LHC and other particle accelerators

1210
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:04,079
but they haven't found them and

1211
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:07,170
supersymmetry doesn't require the extra

1212
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:10,530
dimensions whereas the extra dimension

1213
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:13,890
theories that are coming out in the in

1214
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:18,559
this Harvard physicists idea that one

1215
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,730
absolutely has to have the extra

1216
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:22,680
dimensions to explain the hierarchy

1217
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,130
problem so so anyway I ballista symmetry

1218
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:31,680
is the competition and they haven't

1219
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:35,819
found the weakest of the supersymmetric

1220
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:38,220
particles which they should have by now

1221
00:55:44,569 --> 00:55:40,920
it's a sure indication supersymmetry is

1222
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:44,579
not correct and that leaves what is

1223
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:47,450
known as the Randle syndrome theory and

1224
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:51,930
rs1 and that's why I believe we may be

1225
00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:54,390
much closer to understanding these extra

1226
00:55:58,220 --> 00:55:55,950
dimensions but I want to say one other

1227
00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:58,230
thing gene we're hoping to find the

1228
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,780
extra dimensions at the Large Hadron

1229
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:03,119
Collider and I'm sure we will or I'm

1230
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:05,790
pretty confident we will however there's

1231
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:08,670
one other way we could do it and this is

1232
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,090
where

1233
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:11,760
people who study the UFO phenomenon if

1234
00:56:16,850 --> 00:56:14,130
we had enough money we could potentially

1235
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:16,860
do it I'll show you how one of the side

1236
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:20,640
effects that UFOs should give off if

1237
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:25,230
they are using this concept they ought

1238
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:26,550
to be giving off they ought to be

1239
00:56:32,570 --> 00:56:28,770
radiating something called Hawking

1240
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:32,580
radiation and it's a byproduct of micro

1241
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:36,930
black hole decay and and so if we were

1242
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:42,090
able to get the proper instrumentation

1243
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,230
out there it would be expensive and MIDI

1244
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:48,240
who studied the UFO phenomena and over

1245
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:51,000
the years knows that there are periods

1246
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:54,530
which they call UFO waves we have an

1247
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,900
UFOs appearing in a particular region of

1248
00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:00,150
the planet over a period of time

1249
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:02,190
like the Hudson Valley in New York I

1250
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:04,350
think everybody's heard of that the

1251
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:06,660
belgium sightings in europe and the 90s

1252
00:57:12,350 --> 00:57:09,480
the hudson valley was in the 80s the

1253
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,360
phoenix ufos those appeared for like six

1254
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:13,980
months or something well nowhere the

1255
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:15,570
Phoenix lights didn't appear for six

1256
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:17,370
months oh they did that's right you're

1257
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:19,020
down the freeway you're right the

1258
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,510
Phoenix lights were basically two sets

1259
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:23,820
of phenomenon probably one probably

1260
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:26,040
flares the other something more

1261
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:27,540
significant but I'm not going to get

1262
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,400
into that the key here is the frequency

1263
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:32,640
of UFOs if I don't think has anything to

1264
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:34,170
do it with anything and the reason is

1265
00:57:39,590 --> 00:57:36,750
because we've had so-called UFO flaps

1266
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:39,600
for many years we've tried to find

1267
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,960
patterns seven year patterns patterns

1268
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:45,000
related to the position of Mars in

1269
00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:47,340
relationship to the earth and it never

1270
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,560
happens and the reason is we get the

1271
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,660
pattern and it seems to work and then

1272
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:53,760
suddenly there is no pattern and so I

1273
00:57:59,060 --> 00:57:56,310
I've not seen evidence of patterns it

1274
00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:59,070
doesn't mean that you have hoes have any

1275
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:00,990
particular propulsion system could I

1276
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:02,760
just say this Jean I'm not actually

1277
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,640
looking for a pattern per se of them you

1278
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,380
know occurring every seven years or

1279
00:58:12,110 --> 00:58:09,240
something like that no that's not what I

1280
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:12,120
was looking for we need two things we

1281
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:14,220
need the equipment and the personnel and

1282
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,760
these need to be experts and

1283
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:18,960
spectrographic analysis and things like

1284
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:20,590
that physicists

1285
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:23,240
technicians and stuff like that and then

1286
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:26,720
the second thing we need is a bonafide

1287
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:29,720
UFO wave like the Hudson Valley that

1288
00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:32,060
went on for a long period of time and by

1289
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:34,580
the way the Phoenix lights I talked to

1290
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:37,310
dr. Lynn khatai I've met her many times

1291
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:40,850
at these UFO conferences and if you read

1292
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:44,030
her book she reports that months before

1293
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:47,630
the actual big Phoenix lights she was

1294
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:50,390
seeing objects I know dr. Lynn she's

1295
00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:51,470
been on the show a couple of times just

1296
00:58:55,780 --> 00:58:53,870
to let you know I think there's a

1297
00:58:58,450 --> 00:58:55,790
general perception here that she's very

1298
00:59:02,050 --> 00:58:58,460
very sincere she's a medical doctor very

1299
00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:02,060
smart woman but she kind of shall we say

1300
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:05,270
assumes too much in that case just leave

1301
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,310
it there my perception is she assumes

1302
00:59:11,590 --> 00:59:10,160
too much about what's going on with the

1303
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:11,600
Phoenix lights to her that's the

1304
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:15,410
beginning and end all of UFO cases and I

1305
00:59:19,810 --> 00:59:17,330
think it has some relevance in the

1306
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,820
scheme of things but doesn't matter it

1307
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:21,760
really doesn't matter it's just one of

1308
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:24,410
thousands and thousands of UFO cases I

1309
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,420
think we're not focusing so much on the

1310
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:28,160
UFO sightings today because we've done

1311
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:30,110
that a thousand times here we need to

1312
00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:32,690
focus on possible propulsion systems why

1313
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:34,820
you feel this is relevant and certainly

1314
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:38,000
as I said even divorced from UFOs this

1315
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:39,590
might be relevant but the question I

1316
00:59:45,490 --> 00:59:42,950
have a view is here we're going to do

1317
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:45,500
something amazing here in terms of our

1318
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:48,380
technology cross the stars in a way that

1319
00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:50,570
can be done quickly and hopefully not

1320
00:59:55,890 --> 00:59:53,060
too expensive Lee what about the power

1321
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:55,900
requirement some reason I raise this is

1322
01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:58,910
scientists who are exploring the

1323
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:01,790
possibility of warp drive kind of

1324
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:04,130
recognize that we're dealing with

1325
01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:07,130
prodigious energy requirements

1326
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:09,070
originally back in the 90s thought to be

1327
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:11,630
planet-sized although it's a lot more

1328
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:14,720
responsible a lot more realistic now so

1329
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:17,570
maybe when we get to first contact we'll

1330
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:19,730
deal with it but seriously speaking here

1331
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:23,210
what kind of energy source would we need

1332
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:27,140
to power a spaceship through your system

1333
01:00:34,530 --> 01:00:31,220
to get to Proxima Centauri as if it were

1334
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:34,540
25 miles away Oh tell you by the way

1335
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:36,430
when you talked about energy gene you

1336
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:38,710
hit the nail on the head because that's

1337
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:40,810
exactly the problem with all the other

1338
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,730
ideas that have come up people may have

1339
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:44,880
heard of the AL khabiri warp drive

1340
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:48,760
Miguel Alcubierre Mexican physicist some

1341
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:51,160
years ago he came up with the idea of a

1342
01:00:56,370 --> 01:00:53,320
warp drive where you would shrink space

1343
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,380
in front of this spaceship and expand it

1344
01:01:02,540 --> 01:00:58,720
behind it and you would kind of ride a

1345
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:02,550
wave through space and of warp space

1346
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:06,930
however he himself dr. al khabiri

1347
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:09,490
realized it would cost a great deal of

1348
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:11,500
excitement by the way at the time but he

1349
01:01:16,170 --> 01:01:13,810
realized later that the energy required

1350
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:16,180
requirements exactly as you said gene

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were so staggering that it just wasn't

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feasible here's here's the key to this

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is the most important thing you don't

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need enormous amounts of energy at all

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in fact just an ordinary nuclear reactor

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probably you know something in the

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megawatt range or something like that

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and here's why because what I think

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these things are doing if these extra

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dimensions exist according to some of

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these theories then there are certain

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types of particles like there that are

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called Colusa climb particles whose

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natural home is in the bulk so in other

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words if we at a particle accelerator

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produced these kk part of alcohol and kk

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Colusa climb particles then where do

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they want to go they want to go straight

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into the bulk and that's where they go

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that is that extra five dimensional

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space so all you have to do is create a

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shroud of these kk particles around your

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spaceship and the whole kit and kaboodle

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will go into the five dimensional space

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where you can take advantage of the warp

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geometry to get to other stars and and

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and the and the thing that this is vital

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to understanding what's going on here

1379
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the thing is we don't need we don't need

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to warp space ourselves if this theory

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is correct mother nature has created

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a space that's parallel to our own

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that's already warped and we just have

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to be able to get in there and take

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advantage of it and so we don't need the

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energy to warp the space only just to

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get into that warp space which is a heck

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of a lot easier then and so there you go

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there it is and you're saying you're

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suggesting here we're gonna have to

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break in a moment you're suggesting here

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Robert this is something that we're

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gonna be able to do in the not very

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distant future yes that's what it sounds

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so Chris O'Brien is dealing with an

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internet problem but he should be back

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next week as we interview Richard Doty

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and I think it's gonna happen next time

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whoever really make it happen because

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Dodi seems to be making the extra effort

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to get on the show he has a pretty good

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cell connection by the way I did talk to

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him about an hour and a half after the

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interview failed to take place and he

1514
01:08:34,809 --> 01:08:33,739
sounded you know like he has a really

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01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:34,819
good quality phone I think it's a

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01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:36,920
Verizon phone maybe an iPhone I'll ask

1517
01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:39,710
we got more here with Robert Schroeder

1518
01:08:44,099 --> 01:08:41,480
and we're talking about advanced

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propulsion systems possibly we will

1520
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:47,449
design something that supposedly is what

1521
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,270
the UFOs can do again I want to

1522
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:52,400
understand this here it's not so much

1523
01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:54,770
the theoretical physics because I said

1524
01:09:01,089 --> 01:08:58,219
we can divorce that from UFOs why do we

1525
01:09:03,820 --> 01:09:01,099
say UFOs are doing this can we

1526
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:03,830
demonstrate this we can we absolutely

1527
01:09:09,459 --> 01:09:07,880
can because if they are doing this if

1528
01:09:12,189 --> 01:09:09,469
they're using this type of technology

1529
01:09:17,169 --> 01:09:12,199
then we ought to see certain types of

1530
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:17,179
evidence which we are indeed seeing one

1531
01:09:22,809 --> 01:09:19,489
of the things that we ought to see is we

1532
01:09:24,910 --> 01:09:22,819
ought to see UFOs occasionally start to

1533
01:09:28,570 --> 01:09:24,920
fade and become partially transparent

1534
01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:28,580
and then totally disappear and well son

1535
01:09:34,749 --> 01:09:32,900
of a gun and I think it was 1994 I've

1536
01:09:39,129 --> 01:09:34,759
got to look up in my notes here oh here

1537
01:09:41,919 --> 01:09:39,139
it is in 1994 Captain Charles dubach

1538
01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:41,929
anybody listening to this show can look

1539
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,909
this up on their own on the Internet he

1540
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:46,880
saw an 800-foot actually believes later

1541
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:48,500
he said it was probably a thousand feet

1542
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:51,830
in diameter a red metallic looking UFO

1543
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,610
and he was about 20 miles from Paris he

1544
01:10:01,209 --> 01:09:58,159
had it on his airborne radar

1545
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:01,219
it was also picked up by ground military

1546
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:04,489
and commercial radar as he watched this

1547
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:07,980
gigantic UFO he and his crew were

1548
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:11,610
shocked to see this thing start to fade

1549
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:13,500
and they could begin to see right

1550
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:16,020
through it and then it totally

1551
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:18,060
disappeared at the moment that it

1552
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:20,730
disappeared entirely it also disappeared

1553
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:23,580
on their radar their airborne radar and

1554
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:25,260
the two ground radars that were

1555
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:29,430
observing it and so that suggests very

1556
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:32,310
strongly that we're dealing with an

1557
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:35,910
object that was physically in our four

1558
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:38,520
dimensional space but then moved into

1559
01:10:43,670 --> 01:10:41,610
that five dimensional bulk and then

1560
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:43,680
there was another case of a disappearing

1561
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:46,910
UFO so this is exactly the kind of thing

1562
01:10:53,979 --> 01:10:50,130
we should expect to see if they are

1563
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:53,989
taking advantage of these this large

1564
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:57,210
extra five dimensional space

1565
01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:01,520
a Canadian pilot on December 17th 2014

1566
01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:05,160
near Calgary Canada he was a corporate

1567
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:09,510
pilot he saw a cylindrical UFO he was

1568
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:11,340
coming in for a landing and he was

1569
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,450
shocked to see this

1570
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:14,520
cylindrical object with literally no

1571
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,070
wings or anything but as he watched it

1572
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:19,650
it became partially transparent he could

1573
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,200
see the road through the object but

1574
01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:23,760
could still see the outline of the

1575
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,220
object and then it just disappeared so

1576
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,800
that's a much more recent sighting many

1577
01:11:33,650 --> 01:11:30,000
many years ago

1578
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:33,660
Chichester this is a guy we don't really

1579
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:35,340
need all of the examples to know a lot

1580
01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:37,110
of the people that listen we know that

1581
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:40,200
there are cases of disappearing UFOs so

1582
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:42,300
we don't really need to go into all of

1583
01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:44,730
those what I would ask is why couldn't

1584
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:46,950
we simply explain that using active

1585
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:49,050
camouflage we're not that far away from

1586
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:51,300
developing that ourselves the thing

1587
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:54,780
would appear to disappear or fade out it

1588
01:11:59,479 --> 01:11:57,300
explains the entire thing that and being

1589
01:12:01,520 --> 01:11:59,489
able to use a radar we've also got that

1590
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:01,530
kind of technology so we don't really

1591
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:03,570
need to invoke a hypothetical fifth

1592
01:12:09,170 --> 01:12:06,510
dimension in order to explain that yes

1593
01:12:12,170 --> 01:12:09,180
that's exactly correct however it just

1594
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,180
happens that to be that in this era of

1595
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:15,120
Earth technology we happen to be

1596
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:17,550
developing stealth technology but I

1597
01:12:21,390 --> 01:12:19,980
think that's pure coincidence there was

1598
01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:21,400
another one Charl

1599
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,190
hold Colonel Charles whole he observed

1600
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:28,320
something and Rendlesham forest right a

1601
01:12:34,220 --> 01:12:31,750
UFO that was on the ground and then all

1602
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:34,230
of a sudden it just popped out of

1603
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:36,790
apparently out of existence and it just

1604
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:38,500
saw a shower of sparks and it was gone

1605
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:40,840
yes but the point is here before we go

1606
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:45,130
on we have no idea what they're doing at

1607
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,530
their physical craft there's no reason

1608
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:49,600
to assume that our concept of warp

1609
01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:53,230
geometry or advanced physics explains

1610
01:12:59,459 --> 01:12:56,260
what you see it could be other answers

1611
01:13:01,649 --> 01:12:59,469
the more logical thing to do would be to

1612
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,659
make a list a bullet list of possible

1613
01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:04,440
reasons why it's doing that camouflage

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reality bending it doesn't have to be a

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01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:09,850
propulsion system the reason we see that

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01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:11,380
now and the reason you see that is

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something that's been common to UFOs

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01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:15,699
which is they're often interpreted in

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the cultural meme of the time just like

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in 1897 they have the airships we

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interpret them in a way that fits a

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01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:26,949
particular culture of the time so

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01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,630
nowadays of course people looking into

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these at propulsion systems may assume

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that but we can't assume they're doing

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01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:38,230
that we could say they could be doing

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01:13:41,370 --> 01:13:39,940
that we can't prove it we can't

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01:13:43,709 --> 01:13:41,380
demonstrate because they can disappear

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01:13:45,899 --> 01:13:43,719
on us there's no way we could do that

1630
01:13:48,930 --> 01:13:45,909
unless we actually capture one and find

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01:13:51,450 --> 01:13:48,940
out even then there's no reason to even

1632
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:51,460
think that whatever brings the UFOs here

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01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:53,850
if their physical craft aren't

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01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:56,830
manipulating the image you see to

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01:14:02,250 --> 01:13:59,340
something that you perceive as

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:02,260
representing shall we say some kind of

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01:14:06,930 --> 01:14:04,449
scientific principle I mean they talked

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of antigravity at one time I'm sure we

1639
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:07,929
can talk about a lot of other

1640
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:10,300
possibilities because this is the state

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01:14:14,939 --> 01:14:12,610
of our scientific knowledge a hundred

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01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:14,949
years from now assuming we have no

1643
01:14:19,950 --> 01:14:17,320
answer to the UFO mystery would we see

1644
01:14:21,870 --> 01:14:19,960
UFOs and interpret them in accordance

1645
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:21,880
with scientific principles that we know

1646
01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:24,310
then because I'm sure we'll know a few

1647
01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:26,440
more things and we know now one of the

1648
01:14:31,530 --> 01:14:28,900
characteristics that we should see if

1649
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:31,540
these crafts are using extra

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01:14:35,970 --> 01:14:33,370
mentions there now it could be stealth

1651
01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:35,980
technology I don't discount that but I

1652
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,500
don't think that's what it is because

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01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,480
they have one of the critical things I

1654
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:42,480
think they're capable of doing is

1655
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:46,570
reducing their inertial mass inertia is

1656
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:49,210
resistance to acceleration one of the

1657
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:51,430
things that people have observed time

1658
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:54,130
and time again ok hang on a sec we know

1659
01:14:59,190 --> 01:14:57,010
about that too and that's a completely

1660
01:15:03,320 --> 01:14:59,200
separate thing from active camouflage

1661
01:15:06,690 --> 01:15:03,330
that would involve somehow being able to

1662
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:06,700
compensate for the inertia which might

1663
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:08,950
have something to do with the what yours

1664
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,470
may be implying it with the propulsion

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:13,360
system but because you're dealing with

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dimensions as opposed to anti-gravity

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then we're looking at two different

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01:15:22,110 --> 01:15:20,410
concepts there again you've gone through

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so many things and I think we've

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probably lost a lot of people in the

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explanations that you've given I know

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about the Randle syndrome model and

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01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:31,900
there's no question that Lisa Randall is

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01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:34,180
a brilliant theoretical physicist but

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:36,340
the key word there we need to remember

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is the word theoretical and easy the

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theory is based on the existence of

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hypothetical things like gravitons

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they've never been detected Hawking

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radiation is still theoretical I'm not

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convinced the whole picture with respect

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01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:50,860
to extra dimensions is entirely coherent

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thermo logical or philosophical

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01:15:58,890 --> 01:15:56,230
perspective we're invoking a lot of

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01:16:02,850 --> 01:15:58,900
things that we have no real evidence for

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to explain in an abstract model

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something that we do know exists the one

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thing we know for sure exists at least

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within the UFO community are the UFOs

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but we're also using a theory to explain

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UFOs based on one assumption one

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believe me so that's the question here

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we're basing an assumption on an

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assumption and that's why I say it's

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flawed because next week if we decide

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another principle is better than this

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one we're then going to reinterpret it

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that way the answer is we can't just

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because the craft can spin on a dime and

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disappear doesn't mean it's using so

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this particular technology it doesn't

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mean that's it's all oh it's no big deal

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01:21:40,259 --> 01:21:38,440
it's all about warp geometry and I said

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I think it's an assumption based on an

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assumption and it's certainly good from

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a theoretical point of view I think it's

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enjoyable to speculate about possible

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its advanced propulsion systems if it

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leads scientists to work on something

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that might bear fruit that will greatly

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our advance our ability to travel

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01:22:01,080 --> 01:21:58,809
through space that's great it will not

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01:22:03,649 --> 01:22:01,090
however unless we actually capture one

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01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:03,659
or get a much closer look than we do

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01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:06,130
demonstrate that that's how et is doing

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it or building ourselves let me just say

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this though the critical thing here is

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that the the real problem that we've had

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with the idea of interstellar travel is

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exactly what Jean mentioned at the

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beginning the enormous energy

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requirements either to travel through

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space ordinary four dimensional space or

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to warp space like the AL khabiri warp

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drive and and that's been the problem

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the beauty of the idea that some of the

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extra dimensions are severely warped

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means that Mother Nature is providing a

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means

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for us to get from one place to another

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without expending that energy ourselves

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and and that's the key to this whole

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thing and and and by the way I often had

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that at when I've done talks I've often

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had people say it's it's just simply

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stealth technology I don't think so

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they're part of the reason I don't think

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so is it's easy enough for them to just

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scoot away real quick they don't need

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stealth no need to scoot away that's

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right they don't they're doing this it

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could be just something to play with us

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you don't know whether or not the UFOs

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are putting on an act what about cases

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where you see aliens pick up samples

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like they did in the movie ET how often

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do they need to do that before they got

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the sample or is this just part of an

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exercise that we do to make the

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Earthlings wonder what's happening or

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when we're taking children on Space Camp

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to earth and they go through all these

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crazy exercises like we do with

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dissecting frogs or something yeah I

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think there's a lot of theater going on

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there gene let's return just okay let's

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let's just suppose that all of this

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these hypothetical things can fall

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together into this perfect storm to

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create what you're suggesting might be

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the case in terms of being able to

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to make it a little simpler for some of

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our listeners what I'm hearing is that

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this is a lot like when we're watching

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say Star Trek we're not talking about

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wormholes but we might be talking about

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something that's analogous to what they

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call subspace what do you think of that

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idea I'm not exactly sure what in Star

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Trek they mean by subspace yeah what

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there is very similar to sort of what

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you're talking about where they envision

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the grander scheme of the universe as

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being composed of separate universes in

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your case you're referring to them sort

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of as different brains within a larger

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system and then that and the the space

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between it that you're calling the bulk

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would be what they refer to as subspace

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okay in that case that's similar to this

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but I think in Star Trek that

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about going warp eight warp nine or

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something like that you know and they

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have that too

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and that's the sort that's a different

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thing this so they can work along at a

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certain multiple of light speed or if

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they know how they can open up a gate

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into what they call subspace and that's

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pretty interesting that's a whole other

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realm that's essentially like another

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universe just a long side of ours yes

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and the very very closely represents

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what this bulk is that you're talking

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about exactly except for one key thing

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when they talk about that subspace

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they're just simply talking about some

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parallel space I'm talking about a

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parallel space that's severely warped

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and that's the most important part you

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don't even have to go fast you just go

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in there and the further in you go and

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then you can move and you just point in

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the direction you want to go and the

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warping is so severe there that because

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distance shrinks you can travel just

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about anywhere in the galaxy or the

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universe without expending a ton of

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energy and that's the beauty of the

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whole thing and and I might add that

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there's something else this two big

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things you got to explain about UFOs

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number one how do they get here and I

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think they're just using that warped

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five dimensional space that's all around

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us I think that's what they're doing but

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the second thing is how do they

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accelerated blinding speeds to give you

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01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:37,990
some examples of that there some people

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who have reported that fighter pilots

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that they'll become pulling in behind a

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01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:45,730
UFO and then suddenly it shoots off in

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one direction to add unbelievable speed

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01:26:55,770 --> 01:26:51,850
and in fact an interesting case occurred

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around the early 90s that was right

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after the collapse of the Soviet empire

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and and there was and so we were kind of

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talking a lot with the Russians at that

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point and a Russian general came and

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visited the US

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he was just they were just discussing

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things you know and uh and then on his

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01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:19,390
way home he was on one of those Concorde

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01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:23,170
jets as they were leaving they saw a UFO

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01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:27,010
out the window and every all these guys

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01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:29,770
were totally shocked but I remember one

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01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:33,280
comment the Russian general said which

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01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:35,860
caught my attention because it perfectly

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01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:39,070
describes the behavior of these UFOs

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01:27:44,490 --> 01:27:42,310
when they take off in a flash his quote

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01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:44,500
he said this he looked at the camera and

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01:27:50,730 --> 01:27:48,130
he said where did the inertia go and

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01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:50,740
that's exactly correct from the physics

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01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:52,840
point of view how can you get an object

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which I believe they weighed very I

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01:28:00,420 --> 01:27:56,770
think they're very very heavy objects

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01:28:03,330 --> 01:28:00,430
how can they go suddenly from us almost

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01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:03,340
a standstill to five thousand miles an

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01:28:09,870 --> 01:28:06,610
hour you know and I believe the way they

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01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:09,880
do it is using exactly the same

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01:28:15,330 --> 01:28:11,950
technology that they used to get into

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01:28:17,940 --> 01:28:15,340
the bulk I believe what they're doing is

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01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:17,950
they're surrounding us II if they're if

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01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:21,670
they produce these kaykai gravitons that

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01:28:27,150 --> 01:28:23,940
allow them to go in the into the bulk

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01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:27,160
they can also use these kk gravitons

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01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:31,570
Colusa clay and gravitons they know or

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01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:33,610
they don't know yet but they're in the

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01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:36,250
process of trying to prove it they

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01:28:42,690 --> 01:28:38,410
believe that these kk Grafton's if we

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01:28:47,610 --> 01:28:42,700
produce them will in turn induce the

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01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:47,620
creation of micro black holes and and i

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01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,190
believe this is the key to the UFOs

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01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:53,920
ability to overcome inertia in our

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01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,530
ordinary four dimensional space because

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01:29:01,140 --> 01:28:58,320
a micro black hole swallows everything

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01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:01,150
everybody knows that micro black holes

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01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:04,090
or black holes in general light cannot

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01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:08,410
escape so anything any massless particle

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01:29:14,190 --> 01:29:12,460
including a photon or a graviton even

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01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:14,200
though it's going at the speed of light

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is captured by a black hole and and it

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01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:21,580
can't escape so I think that's what

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01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:25,330
they're doing they're shrouding the UFO

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01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:27,580
in these micro black holes which they

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01:29:35,070 --> 01:29:31,300
produce from the KK gravitons that they

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01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:35,080
produce and and then these and what ends

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01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:39,760
up happening is the gravity gravitons if

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01:29:47,550 --> 01:29:42,820
they exist and 99% of physicists believe

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01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,560
they do it's it's you know that it's in

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01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:50,080
a book I just literally read it the

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01:29:53,610 --> 01:29:51,910
other day like have they done a poll of

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01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:53,620
all the physicists and they and these

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01:29:57,570 --> 01:29:55,390
physicists say yeah we think gravitons

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:29:57,580
exists because all the reading that I've

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01:30:03,060 --> 01:30:00,130
done and I've done a lot it's purely

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01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:03,070
hypothetical and it's nice if they exist

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01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,320
but it's far from any sort of consensus

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01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:10,960
opinion that they do we're gonna break

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guys in a few moments I think we're

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getting back to the original thing I'm

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saying that Robert has a really really

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fascinating story to tell here and I'm

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always happy to hear it and the detail

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isn't fleshed out but I think we're

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basing a theory on a theory and

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therefore just spins in circles a little

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bit we've got more to come with gene and

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understanding now maybe a hundred years

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hundred years from now it'll be like the

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01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:02,050
abacus yeah look like we're looking at

2145
01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:06,159
this stuff now like vision you see why

2146
01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:08,260
this is kind of a tunnel vision we're

2147
01:36:11,819 --> 01:36:10,360
looking at it very closely in terms of

2148
01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:11,829
our understanding of physics and

2149
01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:14,260
obviously it becomes more clear to you

2150
01:36:18,989 --> 01:36:16,300
as we get to the point where our

2151
01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:18,999
understanding is better but I think we

2152
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,550
could be falling into a trap to assume

2153
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:22,960
we've got a handle on something like

2154
01:36:28,109 --> 01:36:25,090
this especially when it's so

2155
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,119
hypothetical well it's true that

2156
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,639
gravitons are hypothetical but you'd

2157
01:36:34,109 --> 01:36:32,800
find very few physicists who don't

2158
01:36:36,299 --> 01:36:34,119
believe they exist and part of the

2159
01:36:39,870 --> 01:36:36,309
reason for that randall and gene is

2160
01:36:42,330 --> 01:36:39,880
because we've identified particles for

2161
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:42,340
everything else all the other forces in

2162
01:36:48,089 --> 01:36:45,489
nature it literally follows logically

2163
01:36:50,669 --> 01:36:48,099
that gravity is represented by a

2164
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:50,679
particle as well it would follow the

2165
01:36:58,439 --> 01:36:54,820
rules of quantum mechanics and however I

2166
01:37:00,330 --> 01:36:58,449
think we actually may see gravitons for

2167
01:37:01,959 --> 01:37:00,340
the first time at the Large Hadron

2168
01:37:04,089 --> 01:37:01,969
Collider then it will

2169
01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:04,099
no longer be hypothetical and the reason

2170
01:37:10,299 --> 01:37:06,590
for that is because if these extra

2171
01:37:12,009 --> 01:37:10,309
dimensions exist there are different

2172
01:37:15,279 --> 01:37:12,019
types of gravitons

2173
01:37:19,089 --> 01:37:15,289
and these kk kulusuk line gravitons

2174
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,099
which will be much more apparent and

2175
01:37:23,379 --> 01:37:21,440
visible to us I mean no not that we can

2176
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:23,389
see them but we'll be able to detect

2177
01:37:28,029 --> 01:37:26,030
them and the particle accelerators well

2178
01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:28,039
consider the amount of energy that goes

2179
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,289
into those particle accelerators I mean

2180
01:37:34,750 --> 01:37:32,719
you can run entire cities for a year on

2181
01:37:36,759 --> 01:37:34,760
just one experiment that those things

2182
01:37:39,370 --> 01:37:36,769
run and if you've got to cover an entire

2183
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:39,380
ship with those things I mean you're

2184
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:41,210
looking at the energy requirements that

2185
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:43,610
probably exceed the whole work space

2186
01:37:48,819 --> 01:37:45,679
version and I mean if we're really

2187
01:37:51,549 --> 01:37:48,829
really stretching oh no not at all

2188
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,559
Rando oh no no no there's no comparison

2189
01:37:56,770 --> 01:37:53,840
there the amount of energy to run a city

2190
01:37:59,859 --> 01:37:56,780
is doable that's easily doable we do it

2191
01:38:03,520 --> 01:37:59,869
all the time however in order to warp

2192
01:38:06,969 --> 01:38:03,530
space itself as Miguel Alcubierre II he

2193
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:06,979
did the calculations it requires a

2194
01:38:11,709 --> 01:38:09,050
staggering amount of energy you

2195
01:38:13,029 --> 01:38:11,719
literally have to convert entire stars

2196
01:38:16,959 --> 01:38:13,039
into energy

2197
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,969
you know planets moons the galaxy right

2198
01:38:20,589 --> 01:38:18,320
head I was talking about just one

2199
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:20,599
experiment when they can try to produce

2200
01:38:26,770 --> 01:38:24,110
a single micro black hole at one time

2201
01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:26,780
and then that that is so small that if

2202
01:38:30,759 --> 01:38:28,340
you want to cover a whole ship you're

2203
01:38:33,069 --> 01:38:30,769
looking at having to create a googolplex

2204
01:38:35,739 --> 01:38:33,079
of them in order to cover your ships so

2205
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:35,749
that's where it all adds up right well

2206
01:38:41,739 --> 01:38:39,170
the key I think here is I believe when

2207
01:38:43,870 --> 01:38:41,749
they finally figure out how to do it

2208
01:38:46,509 --> 01:38:43,880
they're gonna as we've done in many

2209
01:38:48,939 --> 01:38:46,519
other types of particles we figure out

2210
01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:48,949
better ways to produce those particles

2211
01:38:55,259 --> 01:38:53,030
that's happened before and in fact you

2212
01:38:57,969 --> 01:38:55,269
guys have heard of Mikio Kaku the

2213
01:39:01,450 --> 01:38:57,979
physicist at Columbia in New York

2214
01:39:04,299 --> 01:39:01,460
University and he believes we're going

2215
01:39:06,850 --> 01:39:04,309
to be starting to downsize particle

2216
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:06,860
accelerators to make them table top size

2217
01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:10,249
and I believe and that I also there's

2218
01:39:14,659 --> 01:39:12,280
something else that I need to mention

2219
01:39:16,609 --> 01:39:14,669
it's the

2220
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:16,619
do believe we're going to be discovering

2221
01:39:22,219 --> 01:39:19,380
other particles that are much heavier

2222
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:22,229
than the ones we're already seeing and

2223
01:39:26,689 --> 01:39:25,169
of course the heavier the particle the

2224
01:39:29,839 --> 01:39:26,699
easier it is when you smash them

2225
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:29,849
together to create things like KK

2226
01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:32,820
gravitons and so I believe those are the

2227
01:39:39,049 --> 01:39:35,309
kind of things that we're going to see

2228
01:39:42,259 --> 01:39:39,059
once we discover the KK gravitons which

2229
01:39:44,179 --> 01:39:42,269
I believe we will then they're going to

2230
01:39:47,299 --> 01:39:44,189
start to discover other types of

2231
01:39:50,509 --> 01:39:47,309
particles which in turn can be used to

2232
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,519
create KK gravitons much more easily and

2233
01:39:55,580 --> 01:39:52,800
I believe other civilizations have

2234
01:39:59,509 --> 01:39:55,590
followed precisely this path and by the

2235
01:40:02,839 --> 01:39:59,519
way Randle the energy requirements are

2236
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:02,849
you know for a city or that's meniscal

2237
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:05,760
compared to warping a chunk of space

2238
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:09,209
that is gigantic yeah we yeah we know

2239
01:40:13,459 --> 01:40:11,369
that but then again we're talking about

2240
01:40:17,419 --> 01:40:13,469
having to do the same thing over and

2241
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:17,429
over again and practically a number of

2242
01:40:22,939 --> 01:40:19,169
times to cover a spaceship with these

2243
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:22,949
things in order to get them so you know

2244
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:25,199
multiply it all out I guess that's true

2245
01:40:30,949 --> 01:40:28,110
however the energy required is what I

2246
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:30,959
believe easily within our means and I

2247
01:40:36,379 --> 01:40:33,209
don't know if people know this but at

2248
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,389
the Large Hadron Collider they have what

2249
01:40:41,330 --> 01:40:38,880
they called detectors where they smash

2250
01:40:43,580 --> 01:40:41,340
particles together and they have four of

2251
01:40:47,089 --> 01:40:43,590
them around the collider and at the same

2252
01:40:49,089 --> 01:40:47,099
time they're colliding particles at all

2253
01:40:52,669 --> 01:40:49,099
four detectors that could easily build

2254
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:52,679
50 or 100 detectors and it's at those

2255
01:40:59,179 --> 01:40:55,489
detectors where we will be creating

2256
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,189
these exotic particles so you could

2257
01:41:04,189 --> 01:41:02,159
easily see a UFO oh and by the way what

2258
01:41:07,279 --> 01:41:04,199
do you notice about UFOs about their

2259
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:07,289
shape you've heard cylinders you've

2260
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:10,320
heard spheres you've heard disks and and

2261
01:41:16,389 --> 01:41:13,320
even the triangle UFOs typically have

2262
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:16,399
large bright circles in each corner and

2263
01:41:24,819 --> 01:41:20,880
that circular aspect of UFOs I think

2264
01:41:28,089 --> 01:41:24,829
it's a question of form follows function

2265
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:28,099
I think I agree with you on that

2266
01:41:32,259 --> 01:41:30,649
the way like you know there's quite a

2267
01:41:35,739 --> 01:41:32,269
few of us out here who've also

2268
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:35,749
speculated on UFO propulsion and we've

2269
01:41:44,319 --> 01:41:39,489
got particular foreign participant you

2270
01:41:46,599 --> 01:41:44,329
Thomas Morrison who's really really into

2271
01:41:48,099 --> 01:41:46,609
this I had wanted to get him on on the

2272
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,109
show to talk with you because he's right

2273
01:41:52,869 --> 01:41:50,239
into all the same type of stuff as you

2274
01:41:55,529 --> 01:41:52,879
are and I think that when we start

2275
01:41:59,619 --> 01:41:55,539
talking about superconductivity and

2276
01:42:01,479 --> 01:41:59,629
magnetism and the shapes of the of the

2277
01:42:02,949 --> 01:42:01,489
various equipment that is involved in

2278
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:02,959
creating that type of thing then you

2279
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:05,689
naturally start to look at these

2280
01:42:11,049 --> 01:42:08,570
circular spherical shapes for part of

2281
01:42:11,799 --> 01:42:11,059
the propulsion mechanism right and I and

2282
01:42:14,109 --> 01:42:11,809
here's what I think

2283
01:42:16,209 --> 01:42:14,119
Randall engine I believe these things

2284
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:16,219
are particle accelerators that's what

2285
01:42:20,469 --> 01:42:18,289
they are and but they're more

2286
01:42:22,869 --> 01:42:20,479
sophisticated than ours but that does

2287
01:42:26,169 --> 01:42:22,879
not mean that we will not be building

2288
01:42:27,939 --> 01:42:26,179
these at some point in the future and we

2289
01:42:31,689 --> 01:42:27,949
have to go through the baby steps first

2290
01:42:34,599 --> 01:42:31,699
but then at some point we're going to be

2291
01:42:37,389 --> 01:42:34,609
able to reproduce their technology I

2292
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:37,399
believe and and that's what I think

2293
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:38,510
these things are I think they're

2294
01:42:43,089 --> 01:42:41,119
particle accelerators and and but the

2295
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:43,099
exciting thing is this and this I want

2296
01:42:49,029 --> 01:42:45,409
to really make I really want to

2297
01:42:52,029 --> 01:42:49,039
emphasize there besides the Large Hadron

2298
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,039
Collider discovering KK gravitons and

2299
01:42:59,560 --> 01:42:55,280
producing micro black holes another way

2300
01:43:02,500 --> 01:42:59,570
we could potentially decipher the

2301
01:43:05,739 --> 01:43:02,510
technology of these craft is as I

2302
01:43:08,109 --> 01:43:05,749
mentioned earlier if we can because if

2303
01:43:11,589 --> 01:43:08,119
they are producing micro black holes our

2304
01:43:13,419 --> 01:43:11,599
shroud around them then micro black

2305
01:43:16,599 --> 01:43:13,429
holes decay very very quickly into

2306
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:16,609
Hawking radiation and so if we were able

2307
01:43:22,810 --> 01:43:20,030
to detect Hawking radiation coming from

2308
01:43:26,409 --> 01:43:22,820
an and Randle is right Hawking radiation

2309
01:43:28,179 --> 01:43:26,419
has never been seen but they are looking

2310
01:43:29,799 --> 01:43:28,189
for it and oh I'll tell you one of the

2311
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:29,809
experiments they're doing in a second

2312
01:43:36,459 --> 01:43:34,249
but if we had if we us you apologists if

2313
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,469
we were able to get the equipment the

2314
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:38,719
money the technical personnel together

2315
01:43:44,530 --> 01:43:42,080
and we detected Hawking radiation

2316
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:44,540
would get a feather in our hand because

2317
01:43:49,570 --> 01:43:46,970
would be the first to detect Hawking

2318
01:43:51,700 --> 01:43:49,580
radiation one of the things ideas that

2319
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:51,710
they have to detect talking radiation is

2320
01:43:57,070 --> 01:43:54,770
cosmic rays as they smash into the upper

2321
01:43:59,140 --> 01:43:57,080
atmosphere and if they create micro

2322
01:44:02,770 --> 01:43:59,150
black holes which many physicists

2323
01:44:05,170 --> 01:44:02,780
believe they do then they they have

2324
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:05,180
these things I think in Chile a way up

2325
01:44:10,570 --> 01:44:07,760
at high elevations where there's not

2326
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:10,580
much atmosphere up above it and if they

2327
01:44:17,050 --> 01:44:14,210
can detect hawking radiation from the

2328
01:44:18,970 --> 01:44:17,060
from these collisions up there then

2329
01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:18,980
that'll be the first time they've ever

2330
01:44:27,730 --> 01:44:25,070
seen it so but we could steal their

2331
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:27,740
thunder if we detected it first

2332
01:44:33,090 --> 01:44:30,890
if only Elon Musk or who are some of the

2333
01:44:36,670 --> 01:44:33,100
other guys that have been financing Oh

2334
01:44:38,830 --> 01:44:36,680
Robert Bigelow Bigelow that's the guy

2335
01:44:42,190 --> 01:44:38,840
he's one of the guys if one of these

2336
01:44:44,620 --> 01:44:42,200
people could see that we have

2337
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:44,630
potentially a way to explain the

2338
01:44:50,230 --> 01:44:47,210
technology and and it would be

2339
01:44:53,070 --> 01:44:50,240
relatively inexpensive it's something

2340
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:53,080
that we you know would probably need

2341
01:44:59,020 --> 01:44:56,330
like some kind of carrier so would need

2342
01:45:03,280 --> 01:44:59,030
to you guys all know dr. J Allen Hynek

2343
01:45:05,710 --> 01:45:03,290
he he sends best way but well I knew him

2344
01:45:08,050 --> 01:45:05,720
literally but that's another story I got

2345
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:08,060
more to tell you which is one other

2346
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:10,370
possible answer about UFOs that explains

2347
01:45:14,890 --> 01:45:11,930
a lot of what you're talking about and

2348
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:14,900
we're gonna hit that in our next segment

2349
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:18,410
with gene and Randall and we're talking

2350
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to Robert Schroeder you're in the para

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01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:09,070
you know people like to rag on me so

2408
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:10,560
they drag on me all the time about

2409
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:12,850
voicing this particular theory about

2410
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:16,840
UFOs it's not my theory originally it

2411
01:48:22,230 --> 01:48:20,410
was a statement that Ray Palmer once

2412
01:48:23,850 --> 01:48:22,240
made of course we remember who Ray

2413
01:48:26,940 --> 01:48:23,860
Palmer was I don't know if you do Robert

2414
01:48:29,130 --> 01:48:26,950
but in the 40s he was the editor of

2415
01:48:31,710 --> 01:48:29,140
amazing stories magazine very well-known

2416
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,720
in science fiction circles he's also by

2417
01:48:35,250 --> 01:48:32,800
the way there's a comic book character

2418
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:35,260
named after him but uh who was called

2419
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:38,770
briefly the atom played by Brandon Ralph

2420
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:40,690
who played Superman once but anyway on

2421
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:43,330
TV in the legends of tomorrow but anyway

2422
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:46,090
Ray Palmer that name was based on the

2423
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,370
real Ray Palmer and Ray Palmer was the

2424
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:51,040
co-founder of fate magazine one of the

2425
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:52,930
early purveyors of the Flying Saucer

2426
01:49:00,120 --> 01:48:56,080
legend and he once said flying saucers

2427
01:49:01,650 --> 01:49:00,130
are here to make us think you know in

2428
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:01,660
the early days of the contactees the

2429
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:03,010
flying saucers were here to make us

2430
01:49:08,630 --> 01:49:06,730
think maybe ETS here to help us solve

2431
01:49:12,570 --> 01:49:08,640
our problems with warlike behavior

2432
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:12,580
people claimed to contact UFOs we saw in

2433
01:49:17,610 --> 01:49:15,070
flying saucers the possibilities of

2434
01:49:20,010 --> 01:49:17,620
space travel being able to travel to

2435
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:20,020
other planets and later as our knowledge

2436
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:22,930
of the universe increased possibly to

2437
01:49:28,350 --> 01:49:25,030
other star systems certainly we think

2438
01:49:31,710 --> 01:49:28,360
now that with the discovery of

2439
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:31,720
extrasolar planets ETS out there another

2440
01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:34,030
star system there are planets there that

2441
01:49:38,660 --> 01:49:36,580
may be in the Goldilocks for M type zone

2442
01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:38,670
and we can assume they can possibly

2443
01:49:43,410 --> 01:49:41,950
Harbor life maybe as we know it and now

2444
01:49:46,410 --> 01:49:43,420
of course as we look into advanced

2445
01:49:50,420 --> 01:49:46,420
physics the flying saucers provide to us

2446
01:49:54,450 --> 01:49:50,430
the possibilities of interstellar travel

2447
01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:54,460
using some kind of advanced physics warp

2448
01:49:58,540 --> 01:49:57,190
geometry etc in each case the flying

2449
01:50:01,480 --> 01:49:58,550
saucers are

2450
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:01,490
yes think just as they did in 1897 to

2451
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:04,330
think about heavier than aircraft and

2452
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:05,450
airships

2453
01:50:09,970 --> 01:50:07,970
I won't rag on you at all for that gene

2454
01:50:12,700 --> 01:50:09,980
I think that's exactly what they're

2455
01:50:15,340 --> 01:50:12,710
doing I do believe that we've got an

2456
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:15,350
alien presence here and that making us

2457
01:50:20,530 --> 01:50:18,080
think that's part of their study of us

2458
01:50:24,130 --> 01:50:20,540
and our psychology and part of our

2459
01:50:26,890 --> 01:50:24,140
challenge is to not look at them as

2460
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,900
magic or something that we can't

2461
01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:29,360
understand but to be say if we use the

2462
01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:32,180
rats in a maze analogy to to look up out

2463
01:50:37,210 --> 01:50:34,700
of the maze and say hey who are you

2464
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:37,220
trying to kid here you know we know

2465
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:39,410
we're being messed with at this point we

2466
01:50:43,630 --> 01:50:41,480
just don't know exactly how and we don't

2467
01:50:45,190 --> 01:50:43,640
have a lot of power to change it but I

2468
01:50:49,980 --> 01:50:45,200
think you're absolutely right I think

2469
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:49,990
that they are making us think even if

2470
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:53,330
UFOs are not a straight physical

2471
01:50:58,300 --> 01:50:56,410
phenomenon even if there's a co-creation

2472
01:51:00,060 --> 01:50:58,310
possibility they're where we're filling

2473
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,070
in some of the missing details

2474
01:51:05,230 --> 01:51:02,960
regardless of which theory of UFOs you

2475
01:51:06,670 --> 01:51:05,240
may subscribe to from the physical to

2476
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:06,680
the non-physical or somewhere in between

2477
01:51:10,990 --> 01:51:08,450
they're here from other dimensions

2478
01:51:13,420 --> 01:51:11,000
whatever the possibility of making us

2479
01:51:15,700 --> 01:51:13,430
think as a result of their presence

2480
01:51:19,150 --> 01:51:15,710
either deliberately or as part of the

2481
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:19,160
phenomenon in the way that it interacts

2482
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:21,970
with us it's still the same possibility

2483
01:51:26,290 --> 01:51:24,770
absolutely yeah and well I'd say if

2484
01:51:29,380 --> 01:51:26,300
you're going to say they're here to make

2485
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:29,390
us think then that implies that there's

2486
01:51:33,660 --> 01:51:31,610
a an intent on their part to make us

2487
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:33,670
think and then so that carries us into

2488
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:36,260
the reason why they're here but maybe

2489
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:39,410
before we we go back to the main subject

2490
01:51:42,580 --> 01:51:41,060
there robert we've got a question from

2491
01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:42,590
one of our forum people would you mind

2492
01:51:49,330 --> 01:51:46,910
answering not at all yeah yeah TDS are

2493
01:51:52,210 --> 01:51:49,340
asks fundamental understanding of the

2494
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:52,220
modality of UFO flight is a science of

2495
01:51:56,890 --> 01:51:53,690
the highest kind but practically

2496
01:52:00,010 --> 01:51:56,900
speaking it ends there in your model the

2497
01:52:01,890 --> 01:52:00,020
magnitude of electromagnetic fields EMS

2498
01:52:04,330 --> 01:52:01,900
involved would make the human biology

2499
01:52:06,460 --> 01:52:04,340
incompatible with the system think

2500
01:52:08,860 --> 01:52:06,470
thermal absorption of the human body in

2501
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:08,870
the presence of EMS can you speculate on

2502
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:12,290
the biology of the intelligent user of

2503
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:15,110
system or do you think UFOs are purely

2504
01:52:19,930 --> 01:52:17,690
machine in nature and under some other

2505
01:52:22,570 --> 01:52:19,940
kind of intelligent influence

2506
01:52:26,290 --> 01:52:22,580
I believe they really are physical

2507
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:26,300
objects and mecan't mechanical as I

2508
01:52:30,820 --> 01:52:27,710
mentioned I think they're really

2509
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:30,830
particle accelerators I believe that

2510
01:52:35,770 --> 01:52:33,110
they've done a number of this is very

2511
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:35,780
important to understanding UFOs and and

2512
01:52:42,730 --> 01:52:40,370
their structure a guy from MUFON and I

2513
01:52:45,340 --> 01:52:42,740
can't remember his name but some years

2514
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:45,350
ago for dr. J Allen Hynek he did a study

2515
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:48,050
trying to determine the weight of UFOs

2516
01:52:53,410 --> 01:52:50,930
landed UFOs and what they did is they

2517
01:52:56,110 --> 01:52:53,420
went around to various landing sites

2518
01:52:58,330 --> 01:52:56,120
that had been found over the years right

2519
01:53:01,330 --> 01:52:58,340
after the thing had landed like Socorro

2520
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:01,340
New Mexico that police officer who saw

2521
01:53:07,420 --> 01:53:04,610
one they measured the indentation in the

2522
01:53:09,940 --> 01:53:07,430
sand or the gravel or dirt or whatever

2523
01:53:12,700 --> 01:53:09,950
and and the compression and they figured

2524
01:53:15,550 --> 01:53:12,710
out they could back engineer the weight

2525
01:53:19,210 --> 01:53:15,560
of the object by doing that it was a

2526
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:19,220
case in France where a UFO had landed on

2527
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:21,920
the railroad ties and had left a deep

2528
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:24,800
indentations in the railroad ties and if

2529
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:26,630
you guys have ever stood on a railroad

2530
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:29,570
tied at oh yeah tie any times I used to

2531
01:53:32,230 --> 01:53:31,610
work on the railway there solid oak yeah

2532
01:53:38,230 --> 01:53:32,240
exactly

2533
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:38,240
and yet this had substantial

2534
01:53:43,540 --> 01:53:41,390
indentations in it so this guy I wish I

2535
01:53:46,810 --> 01:53:43,550
could remember his name he calculated

2536
01:53:50,650 --> 01:53:46,820
that these things the typical disc

2537
01:53:52,990 --> 01:53:50,660
shaped one was in the range of 30 to 50

2538
01:53:56,590 --> 01:53:53,000
tons that's that's a lot of mass you

2539
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,600
know an ax and so a car weighs a ton or

2540
01:54:01,600 --> 01:53:58,880
two and so you get an idea that these

2541
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:01,610
things are pretty darn heavy you know

2542
01:54:06,130 --> 01:54:04,130
they have they're very massive and I and

2543
01:54:08,740 --> 01:54:06,140
I and so I believe they have a lot of

2544
01:54:11,620 --> 01:54:08,750
shielding on the inside to protect them

2545
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:11,630
that have to protect them from the

2546
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:13,130
radiation that's produced by the

2547
01:54:20,890 --> 01:54:18,050
particle accelerators and and and I do

2548
01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:20,900
believe they are humanoid just look more

2549
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,660
or less like us I don't think we want to

2550
01:54:29,110 --> 01:54:26,000
get into that but there's some

2551
01:54:32,770 --> 01:54:29,120
reasons why evolution would tend to

2552
01:54:33,580 --> 01:54:32,780
favor primate type creatures because we

2553
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:33,590
come from a three-dimensional

2554
01:54:40,330 --> 01:54:35,840
environment required I mean our

2555
01:54:42,430 --> 01:54:40,340
ancestors requiring a brain that can

2556
01:54:44,350 --> 01:54:42,440
think in you know that when we jump from

2557
01:54:47,530 --> 01:54:44,360
branch to branch our distant ancestors

2558
01:54:49,930 --> 01:54:47,540
you know I think that primates are the

2559
01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:49,940
more likely and that are going to

2560
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,190
develop intelligence so there was a case

2561
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:54,800
down in New Zealand a woman was at and

2562
01:55:00,120 --> 01:54:56,690
one of the they call it a paddy down

2563
01:55:02,110 --> 01:55:00,130
there a field and the English in the

2564
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:02,120
Commonwealth the English British

2565
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:04,790
Commonwealth nations anyway she observed

2566
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,449
a UFO that came down and you guys may be

2567
01:55:14,290 --> 01:55:10,880
familiar with this it was back oh I

2568
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:14,300
don't know 1959 I think she she was

2569
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:16,010
hiding in the bushes it was still dark

2570
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:18,290
but the thing came down and the old by

2571
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:20,210
the way this also points to something

2572
01:55:24,729 --> 01:55:22,370
else that's important she observed a

2573
01:55:27,939 --> 01:55:24,739
typical disc shaped thing a cupola on

2574
01:55:30,250 --> 01:55:27,949
top and then she saw two rows of flames

2575
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,260
shooting horizontally but in opposite

2576
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,199
directions a ring around one ring above

2577
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:35,360
the other but I'd be shooting in the

2578
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:38,810
opposite directions and and many people

2579
01:55:45,310 --> 01:55:42,170
have noticed that UFOs spin but the

2580
01:55:48,340 --> 01:55:45,320
light turned on and the cupola and she

2581
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:48,350
saw two human looking creatures but they

2582
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:50,239
had helmets on but they had shoulders

2583
01:55:54,370 --> 01:55:52,130
like humans would have and they were

2584
01:55:56,650 --> 01:55:54,380
dressed in like a suit both the similar

2585
01:55:59,290 --> 01:55:56,660
type suit and one was right in front of

2586
01:56:01,120 --> 01:55:59,300
the other and the guy in front stood up

2587
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:01,130
and appeared to put his hands on a

2588
01:56:05,530 --> 01:56:02,810
dashboard which of course was not

2589
01:56:07,630 --> 01:56:05,540
visible from her angle and he appeared

2590
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:07,640
he kind of looked down at the ground and

2591
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:10,130
then he sat down again and the light

2592
01:56:14,410 --> 01:56:11,930
went out and the thing took off but

2593
01:56:16,620 --> 01:56:14,420
what's exciting about that is that they

2594
01:56:20,110 --> 01:56:16,630
do appear to be humanoid like us and

2595
01:56:22,300 --> 01:56:20,120
sometimes yeah I've seen I've heard of

2596
01:56:23,700 --> 01:56:22,310
other cases do but let me continue one

2597
01:56:25,630 --> 01:56:23,710
of the things that's rather interesting

2598
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:25,640
the rows of

2599
01:56:30,490 --> 01:56:28,850
jets on the on the on the rim of this

2600
01:56:32,530 --> 01:56:30,500
thing that we're going in opposite

2601
01:56:36,450 --> 01:56:32,540
directions and many people report these

2602
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:36,460
things rotating if if these things are

2603
01:56:43,359 --> 01:56:37,610
so

2604
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:43,369
do believe they protect themselves from

2605
01:56:48,340 --> 01:56:46,130
the radiation by shielding and that

2606
01:56:51,310 --> 01:56:48,350
tremendous weight of the object it

2607
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:51,320
reflects that shielding but then how the

2608
01:56:56,770 --> 01:56:53,330
heck can something 50 tonnes fly

2609
01:57:00,700 --> 01:56:56,780
well that one of the clues is those

2610
01:57:02,649 --> 01:57:00,710
arose is the spinning of the UFO and and

2611
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:02,659
in the case of the New Zealand sighting

2612
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:05,840
the rows of flames shooting in opposite

2613
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:06,800
direction than Jets

2614
01:57:13,570 --> 01:57:10,570
and there were shooting that were

2615
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:13,580
parallel tandem to the UFO there ok

2616
01:57:17,530 --> 01:57:15,290
we'll explore this another possibilities

2617
01:57:20,379 --> 01:57:17,540
of UFOs Robert Schroeder theorizing

2618
01:57:22,930 --> 01:57:20,389
about possible propulsion systems of

2619
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:22,940
unidentified flying objects Randall

2620
01:57:28,130 --> 01:57:25,130
Murphy is our guest co-host on gene

2621
01:57:36,970 --> 01:57:28,140
Steinberger in the air cast

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attack of the rock ODEs has been

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well-received by critics and readers

2625
01:57:45,950 --> 01:57:43,110
alike it's a thrill a minute story

2626
01:57:48,290 --> 01:57:45,960
you'll never forget a former US military

2627
01:57:50,570 --> 01:57:48,300
intelligence officer is haunted by

2628
01:57:53,210 --> 01:57:50,580
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

2629
01:57:55,970 --> 01:57:53,220
pleading for his help after a terrible

2630
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battle in outer space but the dreams

2631
01:58:00,080 --> 01:57:58,110
turn out to be true and thrust him into

2632
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a telepathic love affair with a woman

2633
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we're assuming certain things here that

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Prop iced tea with UFOs though is

2720
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:08,530
there's less consistency from citing

2721
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deciding they've tried but we do see

2722
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lots of different kinds out there

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02:02:18,810 --> 02:02:16,450
different sizes different shapes and

2724
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:18,820
that makes a problem because if you're

2725
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trying to make a profile of the UFO

2726
02:02:25,740 --> 02:02:23,260
here's the typical Scout ship here's a

2727
02:02:28,140 --> 02:02:25,750
typical mother ship you end up with

2728
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:28,150
exceptions all the time which is also

2729
02:02:32,460 --> 02:02:29,890
another reason why there might be a

2730
02:02:34,410 --> 02:02:32,470
subjective factor there that what you're

2731
02:02:36,510 --> 02:02:34,420
seeing is not a hundred percent what

2732
02:02:39,260 --> 02:02:36,520
you're getting it is something put on

2733
02:02:42,180 --> 02:02:39,270
for our benefit it is something that we

2734
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:42,190
can't fully understand so we fill in the

2735
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:45,250
details co-creation it can be a number

2736
02:02:50,250 --> 02:02:46,810
of different things it makes it so

2737
02:02:53,250 --> 02:02:50,260
difficult so there isn't one or ten or a

2738
02:02:54,810 --> 02:02:53,260
hundred ideal UFOs there are many and

2739
02:02:56,900 --> 02:02:54,820
that's what makes it difficult to do

2740
02:03:00,210 --> 02:02:56,910
what you're trying to do oh one thing

2741
02:03:02,130 --> 02:03:00,220
people need to take into account is I

2742
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:02,140
believe these UFOs are coming from many

2743
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:04,570
different civilizations literally

2744
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:06,400
thousands you know I don't I think

2745
02:03:11,670 --> 02:03:08,650
there's more than one advanced

2746
02:03:13,730 --> 02:03:11,680
civilization out there however there are

2747
02:03:16,410 --> 02:03:13,740
certain consistencies with these UFOs

2748
02:03:19,110 --> 02:03:16,420
one of them is the rapid acceleration

2749
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:19,120
they see that a lot the massive size

2750
02:03:25,410 --> 02:03:22,690
that's often seen some of them are small

2751
02:03:30,660 --> 02:03:25,420
but many of them are quite massive and

2752
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:30,670
then there is definitely even on they've

2753
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:33,010
seen these rectangular ones in Belgium

2754
02:03:38,100 --> 02:03:35,410
but again they had these big bright

2755
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:38,110
circles in each of the four corners in

2756
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,450
this case four corners but in the

2757
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:42,880
triangles in fact on the cover of my

2758
02:03:48,030 --> 02:03:45,130
book you will see one of the Belgium

2759
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:48,040
UFOs and it has three bright circles and

2760
02:03:54,780 --> 02:03:48,610
the

2761
02:03:58,109 --> 02:03:54,790
Anna and so I do believe that that

2762
02:04:00,540 --> 02:03:58,119
circuit Belgian UFO photo is pretty much

2763
02:04:02,580 --> 02:04:00,550
proven to be a hoax though this two of

2764
02:04:05,459 --> 02:04:02,590
them Randall and I get that question all

2765
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:05,469
the time that comment there were two of

2766
02:04:10,050 --> 02:04:08,290
them one was done anonymously and I

2767
02:04:12,060 --> 02:04:10,060
didn't put that on the cover because I

2768
02:04:14,580 --> 02:04:12,070
knew that you can't trust in an

2769
02:04:17,669 --> 02:04:14,590
anonymous anonymous one but the other

2770
02:04:19,979 --> 02:04:17,679
one was taken by somebody who revealed

2771
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:19,989
who they were right away I've heard that

2772
02:04:25,740 --> 02:04:23,050
if I could not other than Leslie came

2773
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:25,750
mentioned that to me too there's also

2774
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,760
been there's also been a number of other

2775
02:04:31,669 --> 02:04:30,159
sightings of the black triangles so even

2776
02:04:34,410 --> 02:04:31,679
if one of them was hoaxed or we've got

2777
02:04:36,660 --> 02:04:34,420
people doing drones well it does seem to

2778
02:04:38,580 --> 02:04:36,670
be that there are these triangular ones

2779
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:38,590
that have showed up in the last would

2780
02:04:42,330 --> 02:04:40,210
you say G in the last about twenty

2781
02:04:46,590 --> 02:04:42,340
twenty-five years we used to have

2782
02:04:48,090 --> 02:04:46,600
someone who was a regular participant in

2783
02:04:50,250 --> 02:04:48,100
the forms fellow named Tom Levine I

2784
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:50,260
believe and he's no longer in the game

2785
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:52,510
but he maintained an area where he

2786
02:04:58,530 --> 02:04:54,850
covered strictly black triangles dating

2787
02:05:01,169 --> 02:04:58,540
back well before 2000 exactly and what

2788
02:05:02,729 --> 02:05:01,179
gene just said there I read somewhere

2789
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:02,739
and unfortunately I can't remember where

2790
02:05:06,930 --> 02:05:04,510
I read it but they were spotting them

2791
02:05:09,419 --> 02:05:06,940
back in the 50s so they have seen those

2792
02:05:11,399 --> 02:05:09,429
triangles before and it doesn't flying

2793
02:05:13,919 --> 02:05:11,409
wings back then I guess so that might

2794
02:05:17,820 --> 02:05:13,929
yes yes yeah that's right that's right

2795
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:17,830
it kind of looked like a delta shaped

2796
02:05:22,410 --> 02:05:20,320
thing yeah that's right sort of a try

2797
02:05:24,209 --> 02:05:22,420
almost a triangle you know before we

2798
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:24,219
move on that was a really good answer so

2799
02:05:29,399 --> 02:05:27,280
if we're going to consider UFOs to be

2800
02:05:30,990 --> 02:05:29,409
some sort of alien crafts that are

2801
02:05:33,209 --> 02:05:31,000
working with some sort of high

2802
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:33,219
technology then I think it's pretty

2803
02:05:38,189 --> 02:05:35,350
reasonable to suggest that they've got

2804
02:05:39,959 --> 02:05:38,199
some kind of shielding if we've if we're

2805
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:39,969
also dealing with biological entities

2806
02:05:44,910 --> 02:05:42,550
that's a perfectly reasonable assumption

2807
02:05:46,590 --> 02:05:44,920
to make we've got one more question to

2808
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:46,600
that I want to get in because before the

2809
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:50,710
show is over if that's okay and it's

2810
02:05:58,439 --> 02:05:53,920
from foreign participant who goes by s

2811
02:06:02,250 --> 02:05:58,449
RL the initials and asks how would one

2812
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:02,260
go about creating a universal wormhole

2813
02:06:06,509 --> 02:06:04,719
portal or tunnel now I know what you're

2814
02:06:08,939 --> 02:06:06,519
saying we we've kind of covered this

2815
02:06:11,310 --> 02:06:08,949
fifth dimension as being different than

2816
02:06:13,620 --> 02:06:11,320
a wormhole exam so I think we've

2817
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:13,630
explained that to some degree when we

2818
02:06:17,490 --> 02:06:15,130
were talking about the Star Trek version

2819
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:17,500
have a look just for your own just for

2820
02:06:23,399 --> 02:06:19,920
the fun of it look up transwarp conduit

2821
02:06:24,660 --> 02:06:23,409
because that's really we're talking

2822
02:06:26,339 --> 02:06:24,670
about almost the same thing you are

2823
02:06:28,890 --> 02:06:26,349
there it's not a wormhole

2824
02:06:30,450 --> 02:06:28,900
they call it a transwarp conduit if you

2825
02:06:37,020 --> 02:06:30,460
could answer the question anyhow that

2826
02:06:40,529 --> 02:06:37,030
might be a good thing to SSR L right I

2827
02:06:42,660 --> 02:06:40,539
guess I would say this that I as I

2828
02:06:45,649 --> 02:06:42,670
mentioned earlier in the program I do

2829
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:45,659
not believe they're using wormholes

2830
02:06:51,930 --> 02:06:48,570
wormholes physicists believe they are

2831
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:51,940
extremely unstable and they're predicted

2832
02:06:57,359 --> 02:06:54,070
by general relativity if at the

2833
02:06:59,250 --> 02:06:57,369
Schwarzschild solution which was the

2834
02:07:01,950 --> 02:06:59,260
first exact solution to the field

2835
02:07:04,049 --> 02:07:01,960
equations actually is a wormhole you

2836
02:07:07,169 --> 02:07:04,059
know it has a black hole on either end

2837
02:07:08,970 --> 02:07:07,179
and a wormhole in between so what we've

2838
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:08,980
got here then subset so the next one

2839
02:07:13,620 --> 02:07:11,170
well maybe a portal might not

2840
02:07:15,569 --> 02:07:13,630
necessarily have to be a wormhole so in

2841
02:07:17,279 --> 02:07:15,579
your model you know I think we were

2842
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:17,289
talking you were talking about being

2843
02:07:24,060 --> 02:07:20,320
able to somehow access this fifth

2844
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:24,070
dimension yes and in some way our human

2845
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:27,250
minds cannot think in terms of even four

2846
02:07:32,009 --> 02:07:29,320
dimensions where three-dimensional

2847
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:32,019
creatures three space dimensions and so

2848
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:34,210
even four dimensions we can't visualize

2849
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:38,320
five forget it and so it's going to take

2850
02:07:44,430 --> 02:07:41,440
some mathematicians and physicists to

2851
02:07:48,299 --> 02:07:44,440
kind of figure out how to navigate this

2852
02:07:51,120 --> 02:07:48,309
five dimensional bulk area but we will

2853
02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:51,130
do it I because if they've done it these

2854
02:07:58,620 --> 02:07:53,590
alien civilizations I'm sure we will do

2855
02:08:02,279 --> 02:07:58,630
and so and I'm sure it's solvable I mean

2856
02:08:03,930 --> 02:08:02,289
we're a pretty clever species and and I

2857
02:08:07,529 --> 02:08:03,940
think we're we have the intelligence

2858
02:08:10,259 --> 02:08:07,539
level right now if the Warped geometry

2859
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,269
theory is correct we may be halfway

2860
02:08:15,029 --> 02:08:12,639
there you know so I don't think we

2861
02:08:16,330 --> 02:08:15,039
actually need to use wormholes at all as

2862
02:08:18,430 --> 02:08:16,340
I mentioned our

2863
02:08:21,490 --> 02:08:18,440
wormholes only connect one place to

2864
02:08:25,150 --> 02:08:21,500
another one particular place whereas the

2865
02:08:27,220 --> 02:08:25,160
Warped five dimensional space is

2866
02:08:29,200 --> 02:08:27,230
everywhere you can go anywhere you want

2867
02:08:32,020 --> 02:08:29,210
and that's the that's one of the other

2868
02:08:34,390 --> 02:08:32,030
advantages of it and in addition to our

2869
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:34,400
already being warped so we don't have to

2870
02:08:39,460 --> 02:08:37,010
warp it in addition to that you can go

2871
02:08:42,460 --> 02:08:39,470
anywhere you want in that five

2872
02:08:46,500 --> 02:08:42,470
dimensional space just like right now in

2873
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:46,510
our four dimensional space in our galaxy

2874
02:08:52,630 --> 02:08:49,810
universe we can go anywhere we want

2875
02:08:55,330 --> 02:08:52,640
using conventional techniques we can

2876
02:08:57,070 --> 02:08:55,340
just go point to this - Alpha Centauri

2877
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:57,080
and head there you know but it might

2878
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:00,800
take ten thousand years however that's

2879
02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:03,050
the advantage of getting into that five

2880
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:05,720
dimensional space we can get there a lot

2881
02:09:10,180 --> 02:09:07,850
quicker oh and by the way I want to

2882
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:10,190
mention something else that srl might be

2883
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:12,410
interested in - here and the rest of the

2884
02:09:16,510 --> 02:09:13,760
audience as well

2885
02:09:19,180 --> 02:09:16,520
one of the reasons I believe these UFOs

2886
02:09:23,470 --> 02:09:19,190
are getting here very quickly is is

2887
02:09:26,530 --> 02:09:23,480
because of the often a casual even

2888
02:09:28,900 --> 02:09:26,540
frivolous behavior that they demonstrate

2889
02:09:31,210 --> 02:09:28,910
when they're here I'll give you one

2890
02:09:32,770 --> 02:09:31,220
example there was a family down in

2891
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:32,780
Virginia this might have been back in

2892
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:35,810
the 70s or something and they were out

2893
02:09:40,770 --> 02:09:38,150
in the countryside just going for a ride

2894
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:40,780
and they came they were coming out of a

2895
02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:43,490
area where there were woods into an open

2896
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:45,710
area a lot of farm fields on the side

2897
02:09:50,530 --> 02:09:48,110
but very rural out in the middle of

2898
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:50,540
nowhere and one of the things dr. Hynek

2899
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:53,450
once pointed out is close encounters

2900
02:10:01,450 --> 02:09:57,760
usually occur in areas of low population

2901
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:01,460
so they were heading across this open

2902
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:04,370
area when they spotted a typical

2903
02:10:10,570 --> 02:10:07,850
disc-shaped UFO about half a mile ahead

2904
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:10,580
of them and maybe a thousand feet up or

2905
02:10:16,330 --> 02:10:12,770
two thousand feet up in the air let's

2906
02:10:18,430 --> 02:10:16,340
continue with that report from the 70s

2907
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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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paranormal radio so let's continue in

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this segment the case that you were

3022
02:15:11,110 --> 02:15:08,900
talking about Robert Thank You Jean

3023
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,120
what happened was they were all watching

3024
02:15:16,180 --> 02:15:13,760
this thing fascinated when suddenly it

3025
02:15:18,610 --> 02:15:16,190
shot straight down toward their car

3026
02:15:22,300 --> 02:15:18,620
scared the daylights out of them so they

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02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:22,310
they screeched to a halt and then the

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02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:23,720
thing shot back up to its original

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02:15:30,070 --> 02:15:26,930
position him so they they gathered their

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02:15:31,330 --> 02:15:30,080
courage again and then after a couple of

3031
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:31,340
minutes they started moving forward

3032
02:15:36,010 --> 02:15:34,490
again and son of a gun the thing came

3033
02:15:38,980 --> 02:15:36,020
shooting down again and stopped them in

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02:15:41,410 --> 02:15:38,990
their tracks and then this time they

3035
02:15:44,820 --> 02:15:41,420
didn't move again and then finally the

3036
02:15:47,860 --> 02:15:44,830
thing flew away but it seems like almost

3037
02:15:51,490 --> 02:15:47,870
galactic teenagers having a little fun

3038
02:15:54,940 --> 02:15:51,500
with the Earthlings and if these UFOs

3039
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:54,950
and the aliens in them had begun using

3040
02:15:58,450 --> 02:15:56,450
conventional means like we've talked

3041
02:16:00,970 --> 02:15:58,460
about it was scientists have talked

3042
02:16:03,160 --> 02:16:00,980
about in the past just taking 10,000

3043
02:16:05,530 --> 02:16:03,170
years to get to Alpha Centauri we would

3044
02:16:08,020 --> 02:16:05,540
never behave in such a frivolous fashion

3045
02:16:10,150 --> 02:16:08,030
it would be deadly serious we would be

3046
02:16:12,430 --> 02:16:10,160
taking samples and this that the other

3047
02:16:14,350 --> 02:16:12,440
thing that's what convinces me and this

3048
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:14,360
is not the only case there's a lot of

3049
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:16,400
frivolous behavior on the part of these

3050
02:16:21,610 --> 02:16:19,760
UFOs that suggests strongly that they

3051
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:21,620
get here very quickly it's easy enough

3052
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:24,560
for them and and so that they can have a

3053
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:27,530
little fun and but then again of course

3054
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:28,970
I mean you know if we go back to the

3055
02:16:32,650 --> 02:16:30,530
beginning where you were talking about

3056
02:16:36,310 --> 02:16:32,660
the mother ships and we have the smaller

3057
02:16:39,400 --> 02:16:36,320
craft the Scout craft say Stanton

3058
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:39,410
Friedman is into that model and when it

3059
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:41,930
comes to classic ufology I think that's

3060
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:44,000
what we're really looking at when we're

3061
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:45,770
talking about UFOs there's a lot of

3062
02:16:49,930 --> 02:16:47,810
fringe theories out there but we're

3063
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:49,940
talking about alien crafts well of

3064
02:16:54,490 --> 02:16:51,770
course we could have say a giant

3065
02:16:56,500 --> 02:16:54,500
mothership with beings on it that

3066
02:16:58,330 --> 02:16:56,510
live or they for all we know they could

3067
02:16:59,799 --> 02:16:58,340
be immortal they could live for as long

3068
02:17:02,020 --> 02:16:59,809
as they want it could just drift around

3069
02:17:03,400 --> 02:17:02,030
in space and and when they get to a

3070
02:17:06,009 --> 02:17:03,410
planet then they could send out their

3071
02:17:08,379 --> 02:17:06,019
craft and of course the craft the Scout

3072
02:17:09,940 --> 02:17:08,389
craft wouldn't have very far to go back

3073
02:17:12,009 --> 02:17:09,950
and forth between the mothership and

3074
02:17:13,780 --> 02:17:12,019
wherever they are so so that might

3075
02:17:16,180 --> 02:17:13,790
explain that part of it without

3076
02:17:18,879 --> 02:17:16,190
necessarily saying that the Scout craft

3077
02:17:20,470 --> 02:17:18,889
themselves are coming all the way from

3078
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:20,480
the star system

3079
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:22,010
oh I'm sorry Randall I didn't mean to

3080
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:24,050
say they came from the star system they

3081
02:17:28,209 --> 02:17:26,210
came in the mothership I believe too

3082
02:17:30,850 --> 02:17:28,219
I agree on that I just meant that

3083
02:17:33,759 --> 02:17:30,860
they're part of the aliens and in the

3084
02:17:37,209 --> 02:17:33,769
carrier and they're behaving kind of

3085
02:17:40,390 --> 02:17:37,219
Rivervale asleep and I think and I think

3086
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:40,400
it's perfectly possible that there are

3087
02:17:46,690 --> 02:17:44,450
aliens with a sense of humor and if we

3088
02:17:48,940 --> 02:17:46,700
have a sense of humor they could do and

3089
02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:48,950
they could have a little fun and I think

3090
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:52,760
that's what's going on maybe we could

3091
02:17:57,879 --> 02:17:55,760
take an example of American soldiers in

3092
02:18:01,419 --> 02:17:57,889
the Pacific during World War two they

3093
02:18:04,030 --> 02:18:01,429
came across some very primitive tribal

3094
02:18:06,220 --> 02:18:04,040
cultures in some of the areas there some

3095
02:18:09,129 --> 02:18:06,230
of the things that the soldiers would

3096
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:09,139
delight in doing was impressing the

3097
02:18:15,250 --> 02:18:12,889
natives with like a watch or with a

3098
02:18:18,009 --> 02:18:15,260
flare or something interesting you know

3099
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,019
if it's just for the fun of it and just

3100
02:18:22,839 --> 02:18:20,960
to enjoy the reaction of the locals and

3101
02:18:25,299 --> 02:18:22,849
I think that's what the UFOs

3102
02:18:27,310 --> 02:18:25,309
occasionally do not always but I think

3103
02:18:29,020 --> 02:18:27,320
occasionally you have some people with a

3104
02:18:30,610 --> 02:18:29,030
good sense of humor and they have a

3105
02:18:33,610 --> 02:18:30,620
little fun with the earthlings you know

3106
02:18:35,650 --> 02:18:33,620
and I think and they didn't doesn't Gary

3107
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:35,660
Larson you know the farside guy he's got

3108
02:18:41,919 --> 02:18:39,200
it I think more than one of his comic

3109
02:18:44,799 --> 02:18:41,929
cartoons have that actually as a theme

3110
02:18:47,980 --> 02:18:44,809
where you know you've got the aliens

3111
02:18:51,129 --> 02:18:47,990
buzzing rush-hour traffic and just kind

3112
02:18:53,350 --> 02:18:51,139
of having a hoot of it exactly and why

3113
02:18:54,940 --> 02:18:53,360
not they can do it and get away with it

3114
02:18:58,060 --> 02:18:54,950
and have a little fun and have a good

3115
02:19:00,459 --> 02:18:58,070
laugh and so I think that and so I don't

3116
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:00,469
I don't think they mean harm I think

3117
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:02,330
they're just having a little fun that's

3118
02:19:06,379 --> 02:19:05,210
all and it's it's no big deal or

3119
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:06,389
anything it's just

3120
02:19:10,819 --> 02:19:08,399
some something they do occasionally you

3121
02:19:13,849 --> 02:19:10,829
know and and by the way this seems to go

3122
02:19:16,669 --> 02:19:13,859
back in history Alexander the Great when

3123
02:19:18,619 --> 02:19:16,679
he was crossing the circ seas River is

3124
02:19:22,369 --> 02:19:18,629
that over in India someplace like that

3125
02:19:25,969 --> 02:19:22,379
and a river somewhere in Persia yes yes

3126
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:25,979
and he he had his elephants war

3127
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:28,409
elephants and they were crossing the

3128
02:19:32,809 --> 02:19:30,090
river I guess is shallow at one point

3129
02:19:35,929 --> 02:19:32,819
and they were in the process of crossing

3130
02:19:40,729 --> 02:19:35,939
the river and he described in his in his

3131
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,739
journals this flaming shield now what

3132
02:19:44,899 --> 02:19:42,719
does that sound like a typical

3133
02:19:49,369 --> 02:19:44,909
disc-shaped Scout craft you know or a

3134
02:19:52,159 --> 02:19:49,379
lightsaber yeah and so what happened was

3135
02:19:56,449 --> 02:19:52,169
I'm sorry about that last Star Wars fan

3136
02:19:58,609 --> 02:19:56,459
Oh what happened was this flaming shield

3137
02:20:00,920 --> 02:19:58,619
as they were it was on the other side of

3138
02:20:03,019 --> 02:20:00,930
the river up a couple thousand feet just

3139
02:20:05,029 --> 02:20:03,029
like the Virginia case and as the

3140
02:20:07,909 --> 02:20:05,039
elephants were coming across the thing

3141
02:20:10,609 --> 02:20:07,919
suddenly shot down scared the daylights

3142
02:20:13,130 --> 02:20:10,619
out of the elephants and they all were

3143
02:20:15,409 --> 02:20:13,140
running back to the shore they just come

3144
02:20:17,149 --> 02:20:15,419
from and I think again they were

3145
02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:17,159
probably just having a little fun and

3146
02:20:24,769 --> 02:20:21,810
this is 2,000 years ago you know so so I

3147
02:20:28,580 --> 02:20:24,779
you know that's so apparently they still

3148
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:28,590
have a sense of humor also that's an

3149
02:20:31,880 --> 02:20:29,850
interesting story there's a lot of

3150
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:31,890
Mythology around that sort of thing

3151
02:20:36,229 --> 02:20:34,020
trying to track down exactly what

3152
02:20:39,019 --> 02:20:36,239
happened what didn't is is an

3153
02:20:42,099 --> 02:20:39,029
interesting thing at all in and of

3154
02:20:44,750 --> 02:20:42,109
itself and author William Bramley he

3155
02:20:47,389 --> 02:20:44,760
wrote a book called the gods of Eden and

3156
02:20:49,279 --> 02:20:47,399
what she knowed notes all of the

3157
02:20:53,330 --> 02:20:49,289
appearances of these strange objects

3158
02:20:56,029 --> 02:20:53,340
around points of conflict so you of

3159
02:20:57,439 --> 02:20:56,039
course Alexander the Great he would you

3160
02:20:59,119 --> 02:20:57,449
know if there he is with his army and

3161
02:21:02,630 --> 02:20:59,129
then we have the Foo Fighters in World

3162
02:21:05,269 --> 02:21:02,640
War two and put in point yeah there

3163
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:05,279
seems to be a lot of focus on well all

3164
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:07,050
the nuclear testing seemed to bring out

3165
02:21:11,179 --> 02:21:09,359
all the contactees so the whenever

3166
02:21:13,899 --> 02:21:11,189
there's some sort of conflict involved

3167
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:13,909
it seems like they're they're watching a

3168
02:21:20,270 --> 02:21:16,890
rental have a reason why I believe they

3169
02:21:22,761 --> 02:21:20,280
it's there like that there

3170
02:21:25,610 --> 02:21:22,771
and just like us and some things are

3171
02:21:27,801 --> 02:21:25,620
more interesting than others I assume

3172
02:21:30,290 --> 02:21:27,811
they are like us and not so totally

3173
02:21:32,210 --> 02:21:30,300
alien we could not understand them

3174
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:32,220
that's a good question but before I

3175
02:21:36,801 --> 02:21:33,840
answer that gene let me just say this

3176
02:21:39,020 --> 02:21:36,811
real quick let's say we're visiting

3177
02:21:41,330 --> 02:21:39,030
another planet and we look down and we

3178
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:41,340
see a farm field and and this guy's

3179
02:21:45,380 --> 02:21:43,410
going in there equivalent of a tractor

3180
02:21:47,780 --> 02:21:45,390
maybe shaped a bit differently but does

3181
02:21:49,670 --> 02:21:47,790
the same thing and is going back and

3182
02:21:51,500 --> 02:21:49,680
forth we could sit there and watch that

3183
02:21:54,350 --> 02:21:51,510
for a while and be interesting I guess

3184
02:21:57,051 --> 02:21:54,360
and on the other hand let's say in

3185
02:22:00,650 --> 02:21:57,061
another part of that planet there's a

3186
02:22:02,660 --> 02:22:00,660
horrible war going on and all these ten

3187
02:22:04,670 --> 02:22:02,670
of the equivalents of tanks or whatever

3188
02:22:07,400 --> 02:22:04,680
are shooting and blasting each other

3189
02:22:11,060 --> 02:22:07,410
Anna and you'd go holy mackerel look at

3190
02:22:14,511 --> 02:22:11,070
that so in other words just like

3191
02:22:16,940 --> 02:22:14,521
Hollywood if you had a movie about

3192
02:22:19,730 --> 02:22:16,950
people sitting around reading the

3193
02:22:21,440 --> 02:22:19,740
newspaper and eating a cheeseburger the

3194
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:21,450
audience would just leave the theater if

3195
02:22:26,511 --> 02:22:24,570
you have a movie about the superheroes

3196
02:22:28,310 --> 02:22:26,521
that are beating up the bad guys and

3197
02:22:30,140 --> 02:22:28,320
stuff and lots of action and everything

3198
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:30,150
like that you get the audience's

3199
02:22:34,970 --> 02:22:32,010
attention I think it's as simple as that

3200
02:22:37,850 --> 02:22:34,980
I think it's just it's it's just a

3201
02:22:39,710 --> 02:22:37,860
little more fascinating watching that

3202
02:22:48,051 --> 02:22:39,720
kind of thing a conflict blustering the

3203
02:22:50,210 --> 02:22:48,061
ants go on the rampage is it possible it

3204
02:22:53,150 --> 02:22:50,220
might be at a little anthropomorphizing

3205
02:22:54,740 --> 02:22:53,160
there but I mean people often say well

3206
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why would they want to come to earth and

3207
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my response is well earth is really

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damned interesting so why not exactly

3209
02:23:06,170 --> 02:23:03,450
there's a lot of interesting things

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going on and sure but you're assuming

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here based on the experience with one

3212
02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:11,700
planet I mean there could be a million

3213
02:23:16,551 --> 02:23:14,670
earths out there well there could be but

3214
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:16,561
the experience that we've known so far

3215
02:23:21,560 --> 02:23:18,960
is it planets like Earth is that's

3216
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:21,570
pretty rare sure to Earthlings we think

3217
02:23:24,110 --> 02:23:22,050
so

3218
02:23:26,810 --> 02:23:24,120
but that doesn't mean that much that

3219
02:23:29,051 --> 02:23:26,820
doesn't mean that ETS well that's you

3220
02:23:31,730 --> 02:23:29,061
see we're basing everything on our

3221
02:23:33,591 --> 02:23:31,740
perception of the universe and we're

3222
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getting to know the universe

3223
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:35,160
well compared to what the way that we

3224
02:23:39,381 --> 02:23:37,620
used to sew but not to extraterrestrials

3225
02:23:42,501 --> 02:23:39,391
who've been doing this for the past

3226
02:23:43,821 --> 02:23:42,511
10,000 years well yes now let's assume

3227
02:23:44,270 --> 02:23:43,831
that they can just go anywhere in the

3228
02:23:46,041 --> 02:23:44,280
universe

3229
02:23:49,430 --> 02:23:46,051
sure astronomers will probably admit

3230
02:23:50,900 --> 02:23:49,440
that there's a lot of planets out there

3231
02:23:52,100 --> 02:23:50,910
capable of sustaining life who's

3232
02:23:54,020 --> 02:23:52,110
probably a lot of intelligent

3233
02:23:56,900 --> 02:23:54,030
civilizations but they're also probably

3234
02:23:59,541 --> 02:23:56,910
fairly you know far and few between in

3235
02:24:01,491 --> 02:23:59,551
the grand scheme of things and so you

3236
02:24:05,001 --> 02:24:01,501
know what you'd want to you probably

3237
02:24:08,001 --> 02:24:05,011
want to to look at the the more

3238
02:24:10,701 --> 02:24:08,011
interesting ones I would say yeah that's

3239
02:24:15,350 --> 02:24:10,711
what Robert is suggesting there before

3240
02:24:16,821 --> 02:24:15,360
we look at how AET sees us 18:18 we're

3241
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going to talk more with Robert Schroeder

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio okay so I'm having a

3346
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lot of fun here because I enjoyed the

3347
02:29:11,170 --> 02:29:08,960
possibility of talking about life in

3348
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outer space what they might have

3349
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achieved whatever they are are they

3350
02:29:18,761 --> 02:29:16,101
human or near human are they totally

3351
02:29:21,100 --> 02:29:18,771
alien would we even recognize them

3352
02:29:24,460 --> 02:29:21,110
consider for example the movie contact

3353
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:24,470
where et comes here in the form of Jodie

3354
02:29:29,500 --> 02:29:27,110
Foster's late father with whom she had

3355
02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:29,510
unresolved issues because we could not

3356
02:29:34,450 --> 02:29:32,690
accept that creature in their form but

3357
02:29:37,570 --> 02:29:34,460
obviously when we speculate about

3358
02:29:39,640 --> 02:29:37,580
possible UFO propulsion systems and work

3359
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:39,650
geometry is as good as anything as it

3360
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:40,970
sounds like something we might be able

3361
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:43,490
to do someday maybe Elon Musk will have

3362
02:29:48,210 --> 02:29:45,920
the Tesla warped or something like that

3363
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:48,220
to take us to another star system

3364
02:29:54,100 --> 02:29:51,920
whatever it is it still depends on our

3365
02:29:57,011 --> 02:29:54,110
particular point of view of ET if that

3366
02:30:00,131 --> 02:29:57,021
leads us to a theory that works that is

3367
02:30:02,770 --> 02:30:00,141
fine is et what we think they are are

3368
02:30:04,540 --> 02:30:02,780
they humanoid would we recognize their

3369
02:30:07,170 --> 02:30:04,550
existence would they be like the Q

3370
02:30:11,080 --> 02:30:07,180
continuum where their energy creatures

3371
02:30:13,420 --> 02:30:11,090
how could we possibly know but I guess

3372
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:13,430
it's as good as any theory I think

3373
02:30:17,740 --> 02:30:15,920
that's really good Jean like contact is

3374
02:30:20,020 --> 02:30:17,750
a good movie and another one that came

3375
02:30:22,570 --> 02:30:20,030
up more recently is one called arrival

3376
02:30:24,580 --> 02:30:22,580
not not the previous one with Charlie

3377
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:24,590
Sheen which is fairly good too in its

3378
02:30:28,091 --> 02:30:26,210
own way but this is the one where you

3379
02:30:29,950 --> 02:30:28,101
have the linguist huge attempts to make

3380
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:29,960
content yeah the linguist played by Lois

3381
02:30:34,450 --> 02:30:32,450
Lane and yeah and so you've got some

3382
02:30:36,310 --> 02:30:34,460
rather strange completely alien type

3383
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:36,320
creatures that they they have to figure

3384
02:30:41,770 --> 02:30:38,690
out how to communicate with in some way

3385
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:41,780
shape or form and they deal in time as

3386
02:30:46,120 --> 02:30:43,610
another dimension in that movie which is

3387
02:30:48,551 --> 02:30:46,130
really quite interesting if you haven't

3388
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:48,561
seen it she has like memories of the

3389
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:50,960
future everybody knows about Kepler the

3390
02:30:56,410 --> 02:30:54,800
satellite up there that's that and by a

3391
02:30:58,480 --> 02:30:56,420
couple of other methods they've

3392
02:30:59,200 --> 02:30:58,490
discovered about four thousand planets

3393
02:31:01,540 --> 02:30:59,210
going around

3394
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:01,550
other stars and they're finding planets

3395
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,350
around everything you know they're out

3396
02:31:08,100 --> 02:31:05,840
there all over the place their study is

3397
02:31:11,350 --> 02:31:08,110
a bit biased because it's easier for the

3398
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:11,360
Kepler and and other methods using the

3399
02:31:16,300 --> 02:31:13,370
Doppler effect the gravitational effect

3400
02:31:19,090 --> 02:31:16,310
when the star actually moves back and

3401
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:19,100
forth is kind of jiggled it changes the

3402
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:21,050
wavelength as of then they can tell

3403
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:22,970
there's an object going around it so the

3404
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:25,010
methods they're using now are tending to

3405
02:31:28,270 --> 02:31:27,290
detect planets that are very close to

3406
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:28,280
the parent star

3407
02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:30,770
most of them way too hot for life but

3408
02:31:34,630 --> 02:31:32,240
they do have another method they call

3409
02:31:36,760 --> 02:31:34,640
the transit method where they actually

3410
02:31:39,130 --> 02:31:36,770
look at the light blinked out by a

3411
02:31:42,340 --> 02:31:39,140
planet going by but that requires the

3412
02:31:44,730 --> 02:31:42,350
planet to be lined up to our point from

3413
02:31:47,440 --> 02:31:44,740
our point of view and there's only a 1%

3414
02:31:49,450 --> 02:31:47,450
possibility there of any particular star

3415
02:31:51,580 --> 02:31:49,460
but even with that they're still finding

3416
02:31:53,500 --> 02:31:51,590
them so I mean when you think that their

3417
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:53,510
orbits have to be lined up all along the

3418
02:31:57,520 --> 02:31:56,090
plane of our like our ecliptic I mean

3419
02:31:59,350 --> 02:31:57,530
that's amazing that they're still

3420
02:32:01,210 --> 02:31:59,360
finding that many they're gonna be

3421
02:32:05,410 --> 02:32:01,220
launching the Webb James Webb telescope

3422
02:32:07,450 --> 02:32:05,420
in 2019 and this is exciting they're

3423
02:32:09,700 --> 02:32:07,460
gonna focus on the planets that they

3424
02:32:12,460 --> 02:32:09,710
found that appear to be within the the

3425
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,470
Goldilocks zone the James Webb is

3426
02:32:17,230 --> 02:32:14,240
apparently going to do something called

3427
02:32:19,390 --> 02:32:17,240
transit spectroscopy so they're gonna

3428
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:19,400
actually examine the atmospheres of

3429
02:32:24,370 --> 02:32:21,680
these planets they have to really kind

3430
02:32:27,580 --> 02:32:24,380
of do it from outer space so because it

3431
02:32:30,670 --> 02:32:27,590
requires extreme sensitivity of the

3432
02:32:33,370 --> 02:32:30,680
equipment and if they find things like

3433
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:33,380
oxygen in particular free oxygen in an

3434
02:32:37,719 --> 02:32:34,970
atmosphere where it's not continually

3435
02:32:41,140 --> 02:32:37,729
produced by life it will gradually be

3436
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:41,150
absorbed by the rocks as I oxides and so

3437
02:32:47,890 --> 02:32:43,610
by the minerals on the planet so if they

3438
02:32:50,410 --> 02:32:47,900
see oxygen on a planet and it's in the

3439
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:50,420
Goldilocks zone there's a possibility

3440
02:32:54,219 --> 02:32:52,490
that it's going to have life and you

3441
02:32:55,690 --> 02:32:54,229
know one of the things or they're also

3442
02:32:58,719 --> 02:32:55,700
going to do and which I had already

3443
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,729
thought about too is once they figure

3444
02:33:02,700 --> 02:33:00,800
out those particular planets that have

3445
02:33:04,840 --> 02:33:02,710
the oxygen or in the Goldilocks zone

3446
02:33:07,210 --> 02:33:04,850
they ought to be aiming our radio

3447
02:33:09,550 --> 02:33:07,220
telescopes directly at them because

3448
02:33:12,310 --> 02:33:09,560
those are the ones that maybe have the

3449
02:33:14,171 --> 02:33:12,320
higher probability of having as

3450
02:33:16,841 --> 02:33:14,181
and creatures that are producing

3451
02:33:19,180 --> 02:33:16,851
radiation that we'll be able to pick up

3452
02:33:21,011 --> 02:33:19,190
electromagnetic radiation but haven't we

3453
02:33:24,011 --> 02:33:21,021
been doing that sort of thing with SETI

3454
02:33:26,261 --> 02:33:24,021
already we have but the problem is gene

3455
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:26,271
we don't know where to look so we're

3456
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:28,880
just doing the entire sky but with the

3457
02:33:35,140 --> 02:33:31,040
James Webb telescope will be able to

3458
02:33:37,330 --> 02:33:35,150
pinpoint likely civilizations and that's

3459
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:37,340
where it gets exciting well assuming of

3460
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:39,110
course that we like to listen to their

3461
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broadcasts of 10 20 100 or a thousand

3462
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:44,120
years ago that's where we develop

3463
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subspace that first you're right and

3464
02:33:51,881 --> 02:33:48,710
then we don't even need to bother with

3465
02:33:54,940 --> 02:33:51,891
radio telescopes anymore or telescope

3466
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:54,950
we'll just go directly there well I will

3467
02:33:58,631 --> 02:33:57,290
assume here if et is hundreds of

3468
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:58,641
thousands of years ahead of us

3469
02:34:04,810 --> 02:34:02,000
they have communication systems that are

3470
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:04,820
way beyond what we do and that can

3471
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:06,860
provide near or instantaneous

3472
02:34:11,860 --> 02:34:09,920
communication back and forth and you

3473
02:34:14,350 --> 02:34:11,870
will not be able to detect what they're

3474
02:34:16,541 --> 02:34:14,360
doing unless we can read those signals

3475
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:16,551
and that might require developing their

3476
02:34:22,690 --> 02:34:19,130
technology because our radio telescopes

3477
02:34:23,620 --> 02:34:22,700
look at what we think we could do now or

3478
02:34:25,930 --> 02:34:23,630
in the near future

3479
02:34:27,850 --> 02:34:25,940
not on things that are way way beyond

3480
02:34:30,671 --> 02:34:27,860
our technology you know unless we assume

3481
02:34:32,110 --> 02:34:30,681
we picked up the signal from a thousand

3482
02:34:34,030 --> 02:34:32,120
years ago when they were no more

3483
02:34:37,060 --> 02:34:34,040
advanced than we primitive earthlings

3484
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,070
yep that's true you've got a very good

3485
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:38,960
point there Jane one of the fascinating

3486
02:34:45,060 --> 02:34:41,840
thoughts that is potentially could occur

3487
02:34:48,940 --> 02:34:45,070
as we penetrate this five dimensional

3488
02:34:50,980 --> 02:34:48,950
space of the bolt bu LK we may be able

3489
02:34:54,461 --> 02:34:50,990
to detect signals moving around in there

3490
02:34:56,860 --> 02:34:54,471
and so that could be fascinating because

3491
02:34:58,930 --> 02:34:56,870
that may be where the eighty is

3492
02:35:00,881 --> 02:34:58,940
communicating with each other we could

3493
02:35:03,341 --> 02:35:00,891
listen in there and now how they

3494
02:35:05,350 --> 02:35:03,351
communicate there might be gravitational

3495
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:05,360
waves or something like that they may

3496
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:07,280
use a different type of communication

3497
02:35:12,131 --> 02:35:09,370
method but that's absolutely fascinating

3498
02:35:14,020 --> 02:35:12,141
wait you guys are still there actually

3499
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:14,030
we're going to try our warp drive

3500
02:35:19,810 --> 02:35:17,330
because there's a problem on the Alpha

3501
02:35:23,410 --> 02:35:19,820
Quadrant and may be that the Klingons

3502
02:35:25,929 --> 02:35:23,420
are staging an uprising and we have to

3503
02:35:29,380 --> 02:35:25,939
prepare for first contact before the

3504
02:35:30,899 --> 02:35:29,390
takes over would be in trouble we'd have

3505
02:35:35,769 --> 02:35:30,909
to talk to Captain Picard

3506
02:35:37,649 --> 02:35:35,779
resistance is futile I love it I have to

3507
02:35:41,380 --> 02:35:37,659
admit Star Trek is one of my all-time

3508
02:35:44,830 --> 02:35:41,390
favorite series on TV and it was an

3509
02:35:46,989 --> 02:35:44,840
inspiration to make James Cromwell play

3510
02:35:50,349 --> 02:35:46,999
Zefram Cochrane he is so much better

3511
02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:50,359
than the guy they had in the original

3512
02:35:55,449 --> 02:35:53,090
series oh who is that James Cromwell

3513
02:35:57,760 --> 02:35:55,459
you've seen him right yeah he's this

3514
02:35:59,920 --> 02:35:57,770
tall actor who's kind of eccentric

3515
02:36:01,840 --> 02:35:59,930
he's a wacky guy from upstate New York

3516
02:36:03,309 --> 02:36:01,850
and I don't really want to get into that

3517
02:36:05,109 --> 02:36:03,319
let me ask you a question here you have

3518
02:36:07,359 --> 02:36:05,119
a website that you keep things up to

3519
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:07,369
date on your ongoing research gene if

3520
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:09,680
the research really is not me doing it

3521
02:36:14,679 --> 02:36:12,890
other except if I had 10 million bucks

3522
02:36:16,989 --> 02:36:14,689
in the bank and I could start going out

3523
02:36:20,290 --> 02:36:16,999
and trying to get Brady you know

3524
02:36:23,380 --> 02:36:20,300
radiation signals from these UFOs

3525
02:36:24,910 --> 02:36:23,390
so spectrographic data the real research

3526
02:36:26,979 --> 02:36:24,920
that people want to follow I mean in

3527
02:36:29,139 --> 02:36:26,989
terms of trying to see what's going on

3528
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:29,149
in physics is what's going on at the

3529
02:36:32,859 --> 02:36:30,560
Large Hadron Collider

3530
02:36:36,309 --> 02:36:32,869
however if people would like to buy my

3531
02:36:39,099 --> 02:36:36,319
book it's on Amazon and it's solving the

3532
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:39,109
UFO enigma how modern physics is

3533
02:36:43,029 --> 02:36:41,840
revealing the technology of UFOs by

3534
02:36:48,819 --> 02:36:43,039
Robert Schroeder

3535
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:48,829
my last name is SCH r OE d ER we only

3536
02:36:52,779 --> 02:36:50,810
just scratched the surface of this one

3537
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:52,789
we didn't even get in to call our hill

3538
02:37:01,899 --> 02:37:00,069
well you know I have an idea but we'll

3539
02:37:04,269 --> 02:37:01,909
progress that maybe have you come back

3540
02:37:06,609 --> 02:37:04,279
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02:37:24,519 --> 02:37:22,819
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3549
02:37:26,109 --> 02:37:24,529
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3550
02:37:28,420 --> 02:37:26,119
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3551
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02:37:32,859 --> 02:37:30,890
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02:38:30,940 --> 02:38:28,641
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02:38:32,621 --> 02:38:30,950
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3580
02:38:34,661 --> 02:38:32,631
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3581
02:38:35,980 --> 02:38:34,671
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3582
02:38:38,831 --> 02:38:35,990
thank you for joining us in the para

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02:38:42,220 --> 02:38:38,841
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02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:42,230
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02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:57,210
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